"AI isn't capable of taking any jobs away."

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[–] 23 points 5 days ago* (25 children)

Title clowning on Liberal Arts, but that's one of the best educations to have in an Ai dominated job market... or any competitive job market.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 days ago* (10 children)

    yes, but it's systematically undervalued because stupid people don't understand how powerful soft skills are and think all that matter is hard skills.

    but statistically most liberal art grads do very well later in life, even if they don't make as much starting out.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    that’s because only rich people can waste their time on a degree like that

    give stats for success rates account for low starting wealth

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

    what is 'success'? starting salary, or mid-career, or late career?

    regardless of what you major in, or your job skills you have, the biggest predictor of success is your parents wealth. no major, no college, nothing can overcome that element.

    the poor kids with STEM degrees are the ones slinging coffee, not the rich ones. because they don't have the social connections, and the unpaid internships and the social skills to get them hired by all the hiring managers who are upper middle class people whose primary concern in hiring is social fit above all else. brogrammers only hire other brogrammers. woke brogrammers, only higher other woke brogrammers, etc. and poor college kids have no idea what any of that shit is because they are worrying about their food budget and their summer job slinging ice cream will be enough to cover next semesters books and fees.

    frankly, I've never met a STEM person who wasn't from a upper middle class family, though a lot of them tell you they are 'poor' because their dad own drove a Lexus, not a Mercedes. Everyone I knew who went into STEM was way richer than my family. and they are totally convinced though their grew up in rags because they shopped at Abercomrbie and not Vineyard vines. And if I say 'hey well i grew up shopping at TJ Maxx' they tell me to go fuck myself for being a poor piece of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    https://www.hamiltonproject.org/publication/post/major-decisions-what-graduates-earn-over-their-lifetimes/

    • For the median bachelor’s degree graduate, cumulative lifetime earnings for workers across majors range from $770,000 (early childhood education) to $2.28 million (aerospace engineering). This is a slightly larger range than in the original analysis, driven by gains in aerospace engineering.
    • It is still true that majors that emphasize quantitative reasoning tend to have graduates with the highest lifetime earnings. The five highest-earning majors (at the median) are all in engineering fields: aerospace, followed by energy and extraction, chemical and biological, computer, and electrical.
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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago*

    My mom did well but was modest and didn't have a huge house and never spent money on things we didn't need. She was frugal with spending and showed how to stack coupons. We used to get 500$ worth of clothes for like 180$.

    Tj Maxx and Marshall's were my shit!!!! You could find the coolest stuff on the clearance rack.

    I didn't grow up super poor but we didn't live like stereotypical rich people either.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    It's because people who can risk pursuing a liberal arts degree are already well off

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    they aren't. but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel superior.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    I'd think plumbing, electrical might be even better. 😄

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    While those will be the last bastion. Not many people want to do them for many reasons, like running wire in an attic in the summer--you can put a gun to my head and I'm still not going up there (I do my own house repairs, but it's winter only).

    Honestly I wish I just went to retail after moving back to family. My body's fubar. And I fixed espresso machines; which is a combination of plumbing and electrical. So far 0/5 trainees. They all end up making mistakes, breaking stuff with the hold my beer method, and give up after a few days.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    Funny you say that, I'd have never left retail if the pay was decent. I used to be comouter technician back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I loved that job. I did not want any other job. I certainly don't like my current software job more than that job.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    That's kind of what happened to me. At first it was great, pay was not too bad, I was teaching myself new things, it was really pretty good. Then a decade later, it's just work to why am I even doing this.

    I think the last three years I've been working solo, had a co-worker briefly but he needed something more consistent.

    So from going back 6 years ago, having three co-workers and going to just me by myself, it started to feel like solitary confinement and I slowly started to hate it. The base pay didn't change; I've been not paid and ripped off too many times, customers suck but at least I shut down a few businesses that way. Then came the complaints about, I would charge $150 for a trip charge and $100 an hour after that. Which is actually reasonable because of all the work before hand, billing, ordering parts, driving, vehicle wear and fuel (I'd have to charge $250 for a trip now because of the all the expenses), tools, etc. And well the decade of experience. Not to mention fixing shit in a restaurant is a crappy work environment and the restaurant owners are the most annoying, entitled, cry babies. So I stopped doing service calls. And just did the $30 an hour, 1099, at the shop for whoever wants to bring their stuff in to get fixed.

    I liked the work that I did but not the rest of it and the constant nagging from my ex-friend/boss (learned why you don't work with friends). It's like the whole business was set up around me and it just felt worse and worse. So yeah I recently quit and I'm hoping to get a job at a pet store while being a career college student. It makes me happy that there was maybe 10K of lost sales. A family member died, I got sick from the lettuce fun, and then I was told I'm a lazy drunk, get out of bed and go to work, and the kicker "was she really that important to you." So I just said fuck it, I'm done.

    When I worked in retail, it wasn't bad. I was surrounded by pretty girls... some of which I dated, and well some that I had to smack away with a fly swatter. They let me do whatever I wanted there so it was good, got a 50% raise in a year and a position created just for me that paid as much as a supervisor. Interacted with all sorts of people, it was nice. I'll tell you, I have to get reacquainted with society. The last three-four years of only seeing an average of two people a day messed me up. I struggle going to the grocery store for longer than ten minutes.

    Sorry for the long rant, but I just figured I'd share that I get what you mean.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago (3 children)

    and the kicker “was she really that important to you.”

    LMAO was she?

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    [–] 32 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    This is not limited to CompSci graduates and gets worse the older you get.

    It's also not limited to CompSci.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2026/sep/17/over-50s-reveal-trying-to-get-a-job-applications-interviews

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    If that's the article I think it is, it's almost all entirely charity/NGO work, and it also excludes analysis of the current job market which could be hitting younger workers the same.

    I definitely think ageism is a real factor, 100%, but pointing to a series of anecdotes inside one industry is about the worst possible way to demonstrate it.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 days ago (28 children)

    Yeah I'm a CS dropout and worked for startups for 10 years and now nobody is biting. Starting to think I need a career change because I can't see things improving any time soon now that AI is out of the bag.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 days ago* (2 children)

    I graduated in 2022 with an MSc ComSci and have been without a job since new year. I think my ghost rate on applications have been around 60-70%. And let's not even talk about how few job posts there are in the first place...

    The few I do hear from replies "what an amazing resume! We have though decided to continue with other applicants." Number of first interviews: 1. Number of second interviews: 0. Number of applications: I lost count.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah, all the tech jobs dried up where I'm at. If one pops up it is a help desk position.

    When I applied to one those help desk position the hr person asked me why are you applying to a job underneath you?

    I have 10 years working as a Software Engineer that did mostly ETL tasks

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    [–] 16 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Huh. It's almost like the problem has always been the economy and the people who influence it, and not what people studied.

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    [–] [S] 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

    What I often see missing from conversations about jobs and AI from well meaning people who are rightly skeptical towards AI hype is that AI does not need to be able to do the complete job a of a whole human in order to kill jobs. It needs to make some people more productive in an industry that isn't growing fast enough. The people that get more productive get to do the work of others who are let go or not hired. And it can definitely make some people more productive in certain areas and tasks. Whether that's sustainable in various ways over the long term is a different question, one that many (or most) businesses are not concerned with.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago

    For the compsci industries at least, it's a productivity boost with moderate to extreme consequences in the middle to long term.

    Not that that is a problem for CEO's and companies that work quarter to quarter, but it will be a problem in 5-10 years when they have no senior workers to pick up/fix the problems that LLM's introduce.

    Or for the particularly dim-witted few in the short term who throw money at a problem they don't understand while ignoring the people they are paying to advise them, thinking they can remove the "unpredictable" human element.

    Unless, of course, the LLM's improve so much in the runway each company has left, so as to eliminate these issues, i think it unlikely, but we'll see.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    Millennials: Boomers had it so easy, they could buy a house for $20k when they were 25

    Gen Z: Millennials had it so easy, they could get a job paying more then $20k when they were 25

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    [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    havnt they been facing that already for like a decade, only AI made what little jobs out there impossible to find now. almost everyone i met with a CS had like no jobs , 1+year of searching pre-covid. and thier lack of employment rate seems almost as bad as physics.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago*

    Probably depends on the location. I'm in Toronto, Canada and pre-pandemic anything that moved got a job, even without a degree. That continued till 2022-23 till the mass layoffs started. In a broadar sense however this is similar to the outsourcing wave in the late 2000s to mid 2010s. For many who graduated after 2015 it is a new experience.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Liberal arts? My philosophy degree prepared me for my software engineer job in today's world better than any hard science.

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    [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    AI and Climate Change. Two existential threats to humanity that we have proven to be entirely incapable of responsibly addressing.

    Gonna be a dark future.

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