So context, I've always used fully FOSS systems, aside from firmware, and I am a long time neovim and Linux user. I've tried neovim with wiki.vim before, but could never get into proper note taking. I ended up amassing a like 100 separate notes, never revisiting them, even if I tried to link between them. But I checked Obsidian out of curiosity. My issue of being unable and very bad at taking notes kind of went away, and the link system works pretty well. I feel very conflicted about using it as it's closed source, though I know many vouch for it, and it's arguably the only closed source I've been using in the past 5 years (I've been trying it for the last 2 days.) I know LogSeq exists and it went to shit since the rewrite to storing notes in.. SQL? lol

Maybe my problem is with the way I approach notes. I feel like I just type things and never revisit them, but Obsidian forcing me to link between them makes me revisit them. This is one of my gripes, and also the fact 99% of the time I feel I have nothing to say / write about / someone else wrote it before me so it shouldn't matter, so I don't exactly feel inspired

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[–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I've never tried Obsidian, but I am personally a huge fan of Org mode. On the surface, it is an Emacs mode for making outlines, but it is extremely feature rich. I use it in combination with Syncthing, which I also use to keep my password database up to date. There is also a third-party vim plugin available - vim-orgmode. (I don't know if vim plugin mean it works in neovim though).

Documents produced in Org mode are just a form of structured text. It is like Markdown in this respect, where a document can be understood without any formatting applied. But with a proper editor, all of the sections become foldable, you can have functional checklists, TODOs, time tracking, calendars, tables (with formulas), embedded code snippets and more. There is also a lot of software for introspection and transforming org documents into other formats (like HTML). Support obviously is best in Org mode itself (in Emacs), but there are a growing number of third party tools which are compatible with the format (like vim-orgmode which you might be interested in, or Orgro which I use on my Android phone).

Currently, I am watching a series of math lectures and have been using Org mode for note taking. The ability to painlessly embed inline LaTeX snippets has made it very useful for this in particular.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Adding more context, as I also love Org mode:

    The main feature of Obsidian is the ability to create links ("backlinks") between two note files. This feature can be added with the Org Roam which is the Org version of Roam Research's note-taking system. I like the Org Node package, which is essentially the same as Org Roam, but with improved performance and no database complexity. I mention these other programs to demonstrate that, actually, Obsidian replicates features already achieved by other programs. There is no need to use Obsidian if you are starting from scratch.

    The cost/benefit of learning the Org syntax, which is anyway not that bad if you know Markdown, is even better when noting that many Emacs packages use Org files for configuration. For example, elfeed-org for RSS feeds, and anki-editor for building Anki flashcards. So this is not a one-off syntax that applies only to notes.

    Org Mode can also replace Jupyter notebooks, with the built-in org-babel feature: you can embed executable code into your notes!! Overview of org-babel. This feature creates incredible possibilities, blurring the lines between source code and documentation. Indeed, many Emacs users write their config file (source code) as an Org file, which is processed ("tangled") into a source code file later on. That way, the code can be documented in Org's rich markup formatting, and regions can be folded with Org Mode's outlining capability (which is itself just Emacs's outline-mode, not specific to Org Mode)

    The ability to add properties to Org Mode headings is what enables so much extensibility in features like Org Agenda (calendar/todo/time tracking), Anki decks, contact cards (org-contacts), and almost anything else. Org Mode is more than a mark-up language; it is practically a high-level, human-readable programming language. But the great thing is you don't have to do all the advanced stuff. Org Mode is excellent at its core purpose of outlined note-taking. But the advanced stuff is there whenever you need it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago

    I know of Org, I mainly have never gotten around to try it because I didn't want a whole new typesetting language than Markdown lol, yep vim-orgmode works on neovim, I will most likely use neovim with obsidian.nvim, if that doesn't work I'll also try org mode

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    There's an obsidian.nvim plugin that does like... 75% of what the closed source app does, from inside your editor. That's what I use day to day

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    I started taking notes literally two days ago. I checked out Obsidian but found out it's just chromium with shit on top, just started the download, saw it was 350MB, and stopped it. I really, REALLY don't get why there's 350MB worth of code in my note-taking software.

    I downloaded QOwnNotes instead and it seems to work fine, probably more minimalist than Obsidian and maybe doesn't suit your use case, but it grinds my gears so much that I'm supposed to install 200 floppy disks worth of software to take notes.

    Wild throw but have you tried actual pen and paper? I found out for my projects that buying a cheap notebook for each specific project makes me actually wanna sit down and think and write whatever ideas I have.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Agreed, same here. Mine was actually 600mb and I had only used it for a week; so the fact that we had different sizes mildly concerns me. I manage space pretty tightly with some old school hard drives

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago

    Oh yeah it's incredibly bloated, at peak Obsidian usage I got like 1.5GB RAM usage, which is absurd lol, I'll end up returning to neovim with obsidian.nvim plugin. I actually have tried pen and paper, I find it helps me memorize things better, but for a personal wiki/thought bank/whatever, typing on a computer is way more efficient as I type 100x faster than I write, plus I have an rather awful handwriting lol

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    Oh yeah pen and paper is great. Get some pretty highlighters and coloured pens. Get some gel pens or other fancier pens. Get a decent notebook—squared paper is my preference—and go to town. I find it satisfying to take pretty notes, and the ability to draw things (arrows, boxes, etc) helps a lot with the flow of the notes. Also, it's much easier to use a pen than to type out LaTeX if you're writing math.

    If you want to be a bit more high-tech, I like rnote for digital handwritten notes. However I think doing it on paper looks nicer. Plus you have more options for tools. You can put glitter, all sorts of highlighters, washi tape, etc on a page, if that's your jam.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I tried Obsidian, and it was cool, but honestly regular text files do what I need with way less effort. My bf has been experimenting with it, and his files look like Excel spreadsheets.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    I use Logseq, your notes are just a bunch of .MD files. The SQL rewrite is just a parallel new version of it, but the old version still has support (at least for now). You could give it a try, and since they are .MD files, it is easily portable to other programs/formats.

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  • I know LogSeq exists and it went to shit since the rewrite to storing notes in.. SQL? lol

    I use Logseq, haven't tried this version of it. What problems did you run into?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    QownNotes + nextcloud

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    I know LogSeq exists and it went to shit since the rewrite to storing notes in.. SQL? lol

    Wait, really? I haven't used it in a while but I really liked it.

    I need to get back into note taking, both to organize my thoughts/knowledge and to also practice typing again (also can use as an excuse to finish learning a new keyboard layout).

    Edit: I'm searching about it and the DB version of LogSeq is still in testing, but it is probably gonna replace the Markdown version entirely. I also saw a bunch of people complaining that there are still lot's of bugs in both versions and that the Markdown version also has a lot of performance issues.

    Also the LogSeq team seems to use a lot of AI for coding. I saw a post about an alternative called Tine, but it is also vibe-coded, but at least they tell you that at the bottom of the page, but still doesn't give me confidence.

    Edit 2: Found another alternative, ZenNotes, but it is also vibe-coded...

    I really don't want to use Obsidian if I can avoid it too.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Yep I want to get into taking notes for the same reason again. Long ago, I used to publish a blog, helped a lot with thought structuring, but stopped. Taking notes feels very good to organize my brain. Yikes about LogSeq lol. I think I'll end up using neovim with obsidian.nvim and call it a day, I don't need more features than the linking aspect.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Yeah probably a good option for you. It sucks that there are so little open source opetons that are not slop-coded. I also found about another app called Siyuan, but doesn't look like what I'm looking for.

    I really like the outliner style of taking notes so I downloaded the new LogSeq DB version to give it a shot, I haven't messed with it much but at least there is some new features that look cool.

    Tho I'm not gonna lie, this whole thing makes me want to finally learn programming so I can make a good floss note taking app. Hopefully I manage to do that sometime soon.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yea I checed SiYuan from another comment, bizzare they try to replicate Anki with FSRS but also "agentic" slop wiki, not my thing lol. I havent tried the Logseq DB version, I just heard from others its bad, I did use the Logseq MD version, but I didnt like it. It seems puzzling something so easy as [[hyperlink]] and a graph view dont have any FOSS implementation that is good lol, sadly im not a programmer :/ im in the linux sysadmin side

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I just heard from others its bad

    Yeah I head that too, but I decided to take a look just to be sure, and so far it's been fine, the worst is that most plugins don't work with the DB version and are abandoned, so there isn't alternatives. At least I don't need a plugin anymore to give icons to my tags which was the most important one for me.

    but I didnt like it

    Honestly I felt like that at first, didn't like the flow, the bullet styling and it felt too much for me, but after sticking to it a bit it clicked with me, now I get it. Being able to link and recall everything is great.

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    I like zk-nvim for taking notes in neovim.

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  • [–] [B] 2 points 1 week ago

    Since Obsidian stores things as regular files and folders - you don't need worry about getting locked into it.

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    I never tried Obsidian but it was on my short list when I was looking for a note-taking app. I landed on Joplin and it's worked great for me so far. I know you didn't ask for alternatives but it might be worth checking out?

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