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[–] 8 points 1 hour ago

That's probably because most mass killings under capitalist regimes are just generally called "mass killings". They are your regular, run of the mill mass killings that aren't really newsworthy and that we are accustomed to.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 hours ago (8 children)

    Also it's doing unionbusting

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  • [+] -14 points 4 hours ago (7 children)

    Yes. The meme is bullshit. The wikipedia community has always covered every kind of atrocity and has truly tried to maintain a neutral pow. But the union busting really is Really shitty behavior from the wikimedia organization.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 hours ago* (3 children)

    Allowing only western sources is not "truly trying to maintaining a neutral pov" as all sources have a bias

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  • [–] -2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Does Wikipedia really only allow Western sources? I don’t know if that’s true

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  • [–] 11 points 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    That is just killings against communists. That is not equal to killings under capitalist states.

    Injustices such as the Ludlow would not fall under the former as the victims were not communists. They were workers seeking better wages and conditions under a capitalist system.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

    You know you can make a page yourself right?

    Go ahead and compile a list with sources referenced and write it up according to the style guide.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago* (5 children)

    "You know you can do this thing yourself right?"

    Person does thing

    "No you are using biased language and have to use exclusively sources which are known to repeat CIA imperialist propaganda like the Hamas rape hoax on demand."

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  • [–] -1 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

    Yeah articles that show capitalist and imperialists in a bad light don’t exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising

    The sources referenced there should be a great start for writing the suggested article. Have at it.

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  • [–] 4 points 53 minutes ago* (2 children)

    which ones explicitly state that they were caused by capitalism like the point OP was making?

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  • [–] 1 point 22 minutes ago* (1 child)

    The suggestion was that OP could simply make an article and reference works that make a strong case for that claim.

    It doesn’t appear to be difficult especially in relation to colonialism.

    Now if Wikipedia rejected a well researched, fairly written and referenced article, this would be a different discussion.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

    True. Would be good to try that and see how it is handled

    Asking for the help of others who may see this: Could you help in listing major mass killings by capitalist states?

    Will mention ones that I can remember now:

    USAmerican regime - Kent State Uni massacre, MOVE bombing, BLM protestors murdered for protesting against the racist regime

    British colonial regime in India - Jalianwallah Bagh massacre, Wagon massacre, Massacre of tribes in hilly states
    If famines are included, then the Bengal famine, Madras famine, Travancore famine etc.

    Mass killings in areas like Ireland n all by the British capitalist regime too

    South Korean regime - Jeju island, Bodo league massacres and similar mass killings

    Mass killings by Nazi Germany

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  • [–] 10 points 6 hours ago (7 children)

    Fascist and colonial states atrocities are widely documented in Wikipedia, countries that we consider capitalist probably too. I recently stumbled across Belgian atrocities in Congo reading Wikipedia by accident. It motivated me to read more about it in the future, maybe "Heart of darkness" (while not exactly historical, it still seems like a good critique. By the way is it a good novel?).

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago

    Might I recommend King Leopold's Ghost if you want a straight up history book of the Belgian Congo. No shade against Heart of Darkness, I think that's a worthwhile read; but reading KLG first will give you more context to appreciate HoD. Or maybe read it after, idk, up to you

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (5 children)

    True.

    But there does not seem to be an equivalent page for 'Mass killings in capitalist regimes'

    Even if it is documented, does it not show that how it is organised currently has an imbalance, likely from Anti-communist propaganda, things like red scare etc?

    So, cannoted be unbiased, right? My focus was on that. There is no unbiased source, but only ones which acknowledge biases and maybe try to ensure that the biases do not affect the quality of the source too much.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    But there does not seem to be an equivalent page for ‘Mass killings in capitalist regimes’

    You can create that page. Don't forget to cite your sources and link to them or it will be deleted.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

    Ableism from a lib instance. Classic.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

    Is there a reason for deliberately breaking the rules by being ableist? Could you not have phrased your discontent with the meme in a way that doesn't break the rules?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

    Do you actually have a point, then? Why defend ableism? There are billions of ways to insult people that don't rely on bigotry.

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