▲ 112 ▼ Apple including age verification in phones sold in the UK, even though the law doesn't require them (www.youtube.com) submitted 3 days ago by unglueclass23@programming.dev to c/privacy@programming.dev 10 comments fedilink hide all child comments I don't think this is news but I find this informative so I share
[+] dudeface@lemmy.world -12 points 3 days ago (9 children) I think this is a better idea than every website asking for a copy of my identification permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] shads@leminal.space 14 points 3 days ago (3 children) Is there some suggestion that Apple is going to do ID attestation or are they just harvesting ID? Either way the whole thing is slimy. They are a private company choosing to exceed their legal requirements, does anyone think this is for the good of their customers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dudeface@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (2 children) They have to legally do it for California, and the UK has similar rules for websites, may as well protect customers by shifting it to their own verification in both cases since it is already implemented permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago I love the feeling of protection I get from willingly giving all of my personal data to a corporation who is super cosy with the most corrupt and oppressive US government there has ever been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shads@leminal.space 6 points 3 days ago Yeah protecting their customers is definitely Apple's prime motivation... Wouldn't be about hoovering up even more of their data than the rat finks already do. There is no world in which any of this is pro consumer, it's governments and corporations teaming up to gang rape consumers under the thin veneer of public safety and there are enough apologists out there trying to find some way of reinterpreting this as anything other than what it is. It doesn't make children safe; it gets them accustomed to mass surveillance and data insecurity, it doesn't force porn to become better; it just forces it and its consumers underground, it doesn't stop criminal activities; it just forces them to become more sophisticated. Actual authoritarian governments have struggled to make this shit work, what makes you think governments as bumbling and inept as the US, UK or Australia are going to be able to succeed where they failed? On the flip side if the goal is to set up direct feeds for the bulk of the population to have their real identity and banking details associated with every online interaction so it's all accessible to the various organisations that want to spy on people, well they are smashing that out of the park. Anecdotally here in Australia less than 10% of my kids year 8 class lost their social media access, the majority lost it for less than a day... Something like 40-50% of their parents loaded their ID onto various verification sites, which part of our age verification laws do you think were important based on that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] atro_city@fedia.io 11 points 3 days ago (3 children) Yeah, now we can share all the data with a US big tech platform that will train their AI with our shit, sell it to advertisers, and give the US government access. Such a good idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago (2 children) To be fair, it was never going to individual websites and the third party company doing ID checks was probably already passing all the data on to the US government and AI companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 3 days ago Why sell them when you can just give them out to everyone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago And definitely won't ever be breached, since they take the utmost precautions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Do you like to ask billionaires for permission everywhere in life, or just when it comes to things you do with your phone? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shads@leminal.space 14 points 3 days ago (3 children) Is there some suggestion that Apple is going to do ID attestation or are they just harvesting ID? Either way the whole thing is slimy. They are a private company choosing to exceed their legal requirements, does anyone think this is for the good of their customers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dudeface@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (2 children) They have to legally do it for California, and the UK has similar rules for websites, may as well protect customers by shifting it to their own verification in both cases since it is already implemented permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago I love the feeling of protection I get from willingly giving all of my personal data to a corporation who is super cosy with the most corrupt and oppressive US government there has ever been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shads@leminal.space 6 points 3 days ago Yeah protecting their customers is definitely Apple's prime motivation... Wouldn't be about hoovering up even more of their data than the rat finks already do. There is no world in which any of this is pro consumer, it's governments and corporations teaming up to gang rape consumers under the thin veneer of public safety and there are enough apologists out there trying to find some way of reinterpreting this as anything other than what it is. It doesn't make children safe; it gets them accustomed to mass surveillance and data insecurity, it doesn't force porn to become better; it just forces it and its consumers underground, it doesn't stop criminal activities; it just forces them to become more sophisticated. Actual authoritarian governments have struggled to make this shit work, what makes you think governments as bumbling and inept as the US, UK or Australia are going to be able to succeed where they failed? On the flip side if the goal is to set up direct feeds for the bulk of the population to have their real identity and banking details associated with every online interaction so it's all accessible to the various organisations that want to spy on people, well they are smashing that out of the park. Anecdotally here in Australia less than 10% of my kids year 8 class lost their social media access, the majority lost it for less than a day... Something like 40-50% of their parents loaded their ID onto various verification sites, which part of our age verification laws do you think were important based on that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dudeface@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (2 children) They have to legally do it for California, and the UK has similar rules for websites, may as well protect customers by shifting it to their own verification in both cases since it is already implemented permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago I love the feeling of protection I get from willingly giving all of my personal data to a corporation who is super cosy with the most corrupt and oppressive US government there has ever been. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shads@leminal.space 6 points 3 days ago Yeah protecting their customers is definitely Apple's prime motivation... Wouldn't be about hoovering up even more of their data than the rat finks already do. There is no world in which any of this is pro consumer, it's governments and corporations teaming up to gang rape consumers under the thin veneer of public safety and there are enough apologists out there trying to find some way of reinterpreting this as anything other than what it is. It doesn't make children safe; it gets them accustomed to mass surveillance and data insecurity, it doesn't force porn to become better; it just forces it and its consumers underground, it doesn't stop criminal activities; it just forces them to become more sophisticated. Actual authoritarian governments have struggled to make this shit work, what makes you think governments as bumbling and inept as the US, UK or Australia are going to be able to succeed where they failed? On the flip side if the goal is to set up direct feeds for the bulk of the population to have their real identity and banking details associated with every online interaction so it's all accessible to the various organisations that want to spy on people, well they are smashing that out of the park. Anecdotally here in Australia less than 10% of my kids year 8 class lost their social media access, the majority lost it for less than a day... Something like 40-50% of their parents loaded their ID onto various verification sites, which part of our age verification laws do you think were important based on that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago I love the feeling of protection I get from willingly giving all of my personal data to a corporation who is super cosy with the most corrupt and oppressive US government there has ever been. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shads@leminal.space 6 points 3 days ago Yeah protecting their customers is definitely Apple's prime motivation... Wouldn't be about hoovering up even more of their data than the rat finks already do. There is no world in which any of this is pro consumer, it's governments and corporations teaming up to gang rape consumers under the thin veneer of public safety and there are enough apologists out there trying to find some way of reinterpreting this as anything other than what it is. It doesn't make children safe; it gets them accustomed to mass surveillance and data insecurity, it doesn't force porn to become better; it just forces it and its consumers underground, it doesn't stop criminal activities; it just forces them to become more sophisticated. Actual authoritarian governments have struggled to make this shit work, what makes you think governments as bumbling and inept as the US, UK or Australia are going to be able to succeed where they failed? On the flip side if the goal is to set up direct feeds for the bulk of the population to have their real identity and banking details associated with every online interaction so it's all accessible to the various organisations that want to spy on people, well they are smashing that out of the park. Anecdotally here in Australia less than 10% of my kids year 8 class lost their social media access, the majority lost it for less than a day... Something like 40-50% of their parents loaded their ID onto various verification sites, which part of our age verification laws do you think were important based on that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 11 points 3 days ago (3 children) Yeah, now we can share all the data with a US big tech platform that will train their AI with our shit, sell it to advertisers, and give the US government access. Such a good idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago (2 children) To be fair, it was never going to individual websites and the third party company doing ID checks was probably already passing all the data on to the US government and AI companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 3 days ago Why sell them when you can just give them out to everyone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago And definitely won't ever be breached, since they take the utmost precautions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago (2 children) To be fair, it was never going to individual websites and the third party company doing ID checks was probably already passing all the data on to the US government and AI companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 3 days ago Why sell them when you can just give them out to everyone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago And definitely won't ever be breached, since they take the utmost precautions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 3 days ago Why sell them when you can just give them out to everyone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago And definitely won't ever be breached, since they take the utmost precautions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago Do you like to ask billionaires for permission everywhere in life, or just when it comes to things you do with your phone? permalink fedilink source parent
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