I (struggle to) use arch (in disposable VMs, not my actual machine) btw

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[–] 4 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

I struggle to see the hype of Arch.

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  • [–] 5 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    It does have its merits, but the hype is pretty much "cool kids go hard"

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    If they really wanted to go hard, they'd be running Gentoo or LFS. Possibly Debian or Slack if they were truly hardcore.

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  • [–] 1 point 17 hours ago (1 child)

    True, but Gentoo and LFS are too hard for them, and Debian/Slack too old and uncool.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago

    I ain't got the time to wait for Gentoo to finish compiling. I'm old and don't have that many years left to live. And LFS, well madness lies on that path. I have seen it and barely escaped.

    Debian is kind of cool again in a hipster sort of way if you aren't running a bunch of servers. I do wonder why Slack has faded so. It was the Arch of it's day.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 20 hours ago (4 children)

    my jokey response was already said by Allero, so I'll tell you what I think draws people to it.

    1. Early packages. As soon as the packages are shipped, arch tries to get them in the repo, stability and interoperability be damned
    2. Related to the above, AUR. You can't be bothered to build something? Get it from the AUR from someone who an be bothered to build it, but can't be bothered to be the maintainer of that package. This then leads to the issue recently with malware.
    3. Minimalism. Arch only gives you what you need and you need to set up everything else.
    4. No automated help, thus, total control and responsibility over your system. Installed a flatpak? Set up the executable in the application launcher yourself. (NB : your mileage may vary, I'm comparing LXQT arch with LXQT debian)

    I'm using it in VMs only, and because setting it up is faster for me than setting up debian, which is my daily driver. Like I said many times in this thread, I slop it on using archinstall since it just needs the initial config, and I just walk away. The deb installer uses a wizard that "does stuff" while I go through it, so I have to stop and start. I'm only doing defaults anyway , so I don't have to change much in the installer.

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  • [–] 3 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    Yeah, my quip is meant in the same vein. Every person is entitled to their own choice in the road to Hell they want to take.

    In a more serious personal opinion, you can get nearly the same undercooked packages from SUSE Tumbleweed, with just with a bit more seasoning and testing. And if freshness matters with even better seasoning and testing Fedora can fill that role. And both take less effort and have less risk.

    I stopped giggling and laughing about the flaming wreckage of my installs a decade ago because I'm just too old and lazy to fix things anymore.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 19 hours ago* (2 children)

    I think I tried OpenSuse, but I'm not sure how I felt.

    Does it have the easy archinstaller?

    EDIT: They really fucked up the naming convention with Tumbleweed, which makes me think of a deserted place, when it's actually the more up to date one

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I've tried Tumbleweed several times and liked it, but the package management and a couple of other things about it just didn't vibe with me. I do like the name of Tumbleweed. Tumbleweeds never stay still as long as the wind blows. The wanderlust is real.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Who the hell not manually partitions their system? You guys have empty hard drives?

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    Well if you're moving from Windows, you can just nuke the entire thing with automatic partitioning and it feels so damn good

    But since that was a long time ago, these days I keep my / and /home on not just separate partitions but separate drives since all my SSDs are only 1 TB. The installer can do whatever the hell it wants to / but /home has to stay untouched.

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  • [–] 0 points 20 hours ago

    What junk can you possibly fill multiple TB drives with? I have a mini desktop with a TB drive and it's only got about 7.5 GB on it. And I think that's a lot. My pathetic little home server is a measly 500GB and has just 37GB on it. I even have another computer that I use with 125GB drive. Barely 1/3 filled.

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago

    Me. Not worth my effort. I've reached a point where I just can't be bothered to be 1337 anymore.

    Everything that matters is backed up to 3 different places, my pathetic little repurposed laptop home server and 2 cloud services. And one of those is literally on the other side of the planet from me.

    I sleep well. As much as the doctor prescribed medications and cpap machine allow for anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Which version of windows is arch?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    You don't have to be 1337 to install arch, but you do need to be pretty 1337 to keep it running. I use arch btw, but I also use Mint because I don't always have time for Arch's shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    "Hey, I tried the recommended GUI package manager and everything got messed up. Is anyone looking into this?"
    "lol just use pacman -Syu in terminal"
    "...k, guess I will, but I'm not about to recommend this to anyone else"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Better use cachyos, compilation flags will give you a performance boost.

    And for disposable distro use distrobox.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 days ago (22 children)

    You don't actually have to be 1337 to use arch

    You don't have to, no. But you should. Not understanding how a system works that you fundamentally completely set up yourself is setting you up for massive failure. That's like using unreal engine and only relying on blueprints without understanding C++.

    If you want Arch without knowing shit about arch, there's plenty of distros you can use. Stop trying to be cool. Pick something that fits your use case.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I'm not great at Linux, did programming for most of my life in Windows, but so far I've gotten by for about a year in CachyOS (uses Arch). Having it work so well in gaming has been a strong motivator.

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  • [–] 2 points 17 hours ago

    Using a distro that's a derivation of arch is perfectly fine. Cachy does all the configuration for you. SteamOS runs on arch aswell and is absolutely targeted towards non-technical people.

    Plain arch does nothing of that. You have to install every package yourself. Want a network connection? You need something like NetworkManager for that. Wdym, a desktop? You have to install that. Oh, you don't want your desktop to start via something like startx in the CLI? Well, you better go take a look at something like lightdm or sddm.

    Most non-technical people that have no interest in learning that will not be able to use arch properly.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    You don’t actually have to be 1337 to use arch

    Omarchy users in shambles right now. oh who am I kidding, they can't read.

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  • [–] 2 points 17 hours ago* (1 child)

    Damn didn't know about omarchy hate! Not that I care much. Don't really understand why the developer gets flamed because of his vibe code obsession, if that's the case (his problem not mine). But he is kinda insufferable to listen to - that's why I chose not to.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago

    I haven't paid attention to Omarchy to be honest. So I went to their website to see and was trying to watch the video on their distro. When he opened a terminal and intermediately opened a tiled browser window with X loaded, I just noped right out of there.

    You are correct about the unable to read, and it's a good thing they can't.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    There are 10 users on omarchy right now, 3 of them are very pissed at you. The other 7 are AI agents so they don't care.

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    Arch has good documentation. Read it and you'll be ok.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Well, what a fest of dumb elitism and delusional farce in the comments. I need more popcorn and that you deeply for posting this

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Tbh gatekeeping Arch by keeping an area of pestilent neckbeards around it is good actually. I mean there's nothing hard or elite about Arch really but newbies should never be exposed to the AUR (see recent events) when they have no clue what they're doing and the risks associated with AUR use.

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