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[–] 3 points 22 hours ago* (1 child)

Cost of aircraft carrier: $400-$936 million after refurbishments (not including airplanes)

Indonesians living in poverty: 23-24 million

Priorities.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Just in time for the technology to become irrelevant

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    Pretty sure jets coming in from far out the sea bombing your army and downing your air force still have a lot of impact.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    This type of ship is a platform to launch unmanned underwater vehicles, unmanned surface vehicles, unmanned VTOL aircraft and fixed wing unmanned aircraft. It can also launch helicopters, which are themselves ideal platforms for launching unmanned vehicles, long range one way attack drones/cruise missiles and autonomous sensors.

    Helicopters are also ideal counter drone platforms that can carry a range of sophistication/cost interceptors and select from them as needed in the moment.

    If there is anything obsolete about this ship it would come down to something to do with the engines, a needlessly high acoustic or radar signature or somethning else to do with a fundamentally suboptimal hull design. Outside of that, this kind of ship is if anything more relevant now more than ever with drones, just look at what Turkey is doing with their similar class ships.

    Also, I don't know details about the radar, but that could be out of date but... that is rectifiable problem to a degree.

    If you want to visualize what role this type of ship plays in a modern and near future context the video game scifi equivalent of this ship are the carriers in Carrier Command 2 which aren't too far off as an abstracted analogs.

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1489630/Carrier_Command_2/

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  • [–] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    If there is anything obsolete about this ship it would come down to something to do with the engines, a needlessly high acoustic or radar signature or somethning else to do with a fundamentally suboptimal hull design.

    More the singular point of failure that requires an enormous support structure, deck crew, and specialty maintenance/parts.

    You don't need an aircraft carrier to transport helicopters along your coastline. You need it to project long range fighter bombers outside the range of your airfields.

    Indonesia isn't in the business of power projection at that scale. Not unless they're trying to bomb Japan or Australia, which I certainly hope they wouldn't be crazy enough to try.

    After that, it's just a boat-shaped hole in your defense budget.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

    You don’t need an aircraft carrier to transport helicopters along your coastline.

    If you want to do a serious amount of industrial/emergency work in an expedient manner, yes you do need something like this.

    Evacuating people? A helicopter going 5km back and forth to a vessel like this can rescue an order of magnitude more amount of people than a landbased helicopter with a base 30km away, it is simple math.

    Same principle with delivering lifesaving supplies to disaster zones en masse where roads are impassable.

    This vessel could also rescue hundreds of people from a ship sinking by maneuvering the ship close and minimizing flight time in a way a helicopter coming from far away just categorically cannot do.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Nope.

    Anything this ship is vulnerable too can be launched from this ship.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    It's vulnerable to mechanical failures, specialty crew requirements, and replacement parts I guarantee Indonesia doesn't produce.

    Meanwhile, it's a tool of intercontinental power projection in a world where they are in no position to project power.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago

    Russian, chinese, american, or European planes? I am guessing chinese, on the planes and the construction of the carrier.

    Their new pm is a piece of shit btw, the old one was strong armed into setting up this asshole. They organized these protests backed by the military (new guy is a general, prior maybe idk,) and destabilized whatshisface's administration until he agreed to the deal.

    The Indonesian military is not a good choice to rule the country. They are pieces of fucking shit. Big into illegal logging, and killing journalists, just for one complaint. Slave labour, palm oil plantations, and the like, are other complaints.

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