This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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[–] 104 points 1 month ago (24 children)

I have never been a fan of anything above 3 nines of uptime even in a business situation.

Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

I don't even bother to track my home setup.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    My home server is 100% up, because I never check it and that's how it works, right?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

    Hospitals? Air traffic control? Power grid operators? Like these are exceptional businesses, but they're out there.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    There are plentiful scenarios where 10 minutes of sequential downtime would be a critical issue. Say you're a telecoms or internet provider - even a one minute delay to a life-saving message can be enough for someone to die.

    Furthermore, lots of things are interconnected now. Your business might be able to handle 10 minutes of downtime, but lets say my business relies on 12 different service providers like you, who each have 10 minutes of downtime during a week using your rationale. That could up being 2hrs of downtime each week.

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    [–] 77 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    The uptime looks better than GitHubs...

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  • [–] [S] 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I know this is a typo, but I'm sad Guthub isn't a food delivery company.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Companies claiming 99.9999 uptime is an absurd goal for a SLA, and wouldn’t even survive a small internet outage like a DDoS attack or Akamai outage. I remember in the 90s selling the idea of 5 9’s - 99.999% on my resume until some manager who Interviewed me asked me to state the expected downtime. I stopped claiming that number because it’s impossible without full active redundancy in different locations and not dependent on external providers like cloudflare ever going down.

    And please don’t argue maintenance windows “cover it” because that’s not how they work in the real world today.

    Downtime per year:

    • 99% ~3.65 days (5,256 min)
    • 99.9% ~8.77 hours (526 min)
    • 99.99% ~52.6 min
    • 99.999% ~5.26 min
    • 99.9999% ~31.5 seconds

    For my home lab I’m happy my stuff is online and content I hardly lose access when there’s a power outage thanks to my ups. But if I tracked I’d be closer to 95%. Good enough but I can’t wait till I just don’t care to run anything.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    I worked for a "99.999%" up time facility. No one talks about the exceptions that don't effect that number. Some are out of our hands like weather or a knob w/ a backhoe.

    Others are just made up by upper management to hit the numbers for their bonuses.

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    [–] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    100% uptime since the last time we turned it on!

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    doesn’t every website go down when there is no power? ;)

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    [–] 31 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    There's a nifty project on Mastodon where someone is running an instance entirely on solar (and I think a battery?). They've been tinkering with some of the code to do things like optimise images for reduced weight or CPU cost.

    The project is called @solaradmin@solarcene.community and the account for the person running it is on a separate instance, presumably so people can message them about problems: @smallsolar@techhub.social.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    I used to work on the website for a utility company that insisted on ridiculous uptime. Our major deployments risked taking the system down for a few seconds, though in practice that never happened.

    As a result, they made us do deployments starting at 3:00 in the morning since that was the least active time on the site. Fuuuuuuuuck that place.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Now they can get better hardware, but should they? They take seriously the low tech part, and part of being low tech is fighting against consumerism culture and keeping with what they have, which is wotking fine

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    [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Lead-acid batteries work if you don't care about weight and lithium-iron phosphate if you do

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    garage is a software project made for communal home hosting. Tech literates will talk about its S3 API but that's the least interesting part: the most interesting is that it has been purposely built to be hosted on (actual) commodity hardware like second-hand nucs, running on flaky home power and internet and linked together through usual isps. Nodes may come up and down but the cluster withstands all of that.

    Garage would be a pretty nice project to run a solar-powered mini-cluster. If sufficiently far from each other, you could even run without polluting batteries !

    https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

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    [–] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Over a period of roughly one year (351 days, from 12 December 2018 to 28 November 2019) the server was up for 95.26% of the time. This means that we were offline for 399 hours (which corresponds to 16.64 days).

    Not bad at all really, at least for non-mission critical sites. I have solar and I really like it. Solar power on two barns, and a lot of my security cams run on solar. I'm not sure if it's the formatting of this site, or the grainy pictures, but it oddly reminds me of the Trojan Room coffee pot.

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    [–] 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    "Hey look everyone! We never heard of grid scale batteries!"

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    [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    I host my personal site at home with a 15-min battery backup. After that, I accept the downtime. Rarely happens and I haven’t had a single complaint when it does.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's honestly impressive what you can do with under 3W of power these days

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    [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This is actually great!
    Social media sites should do this. There's never a good reason to be on [Insert Corporate Slop Social Media Website here] at 3AM.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Never a good reason, like different timezones, different working/sleeping hours. Theres no better or worse hour for every single person.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    It's not like those major social media sites don't have some kind of data center (or rent one) in every "major" (population wise) timezone they operate in. Your other arguments still hold true, but I think even then it would be better for all of us if those websites went down every now and then.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Use a gell cell lead acid battery (the kind that go in regular UPSs). No fire hazzard, ans bonus, they can survive freezing temperatures just fine if outdoors. Downside is replacing a cheap battery every 3 years.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Appreciate the website itself, with it's dithered low-colour PNG illustrations.

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    [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    i love this website. The articles they wrote is always interesting

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The 1% of the time it's down, there's always the Internet Archive or reading your own downloaded copy.

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    [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Current uptime of over 23 weeks, not bad

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    [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I love Low Tech magazine! I have been reading them for years.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Having everything open, on and available 24/7/365 sounds nice until you realize the human toll for things which aren’t that necessary and can be planned around. Down time is a good thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Interesting concept. I haven't seen lowtechmagazine before, going to have to definitely check it out.

    I spin down our development environments when they have sit idle for a period of time, not at all the same but makes me think deeper about the entire concept.

    Update: This is a really cool website. I see some fun projects here too that I could have my kids work on!

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    [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    All websites go offline when there is no power ...

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