A few days ago, Hasan Piker did a multihour long form interview with Norm Finkelstein, where they talked about a variety of topics. It included some discussion on his new book about the enablers of Israel's genocide, but touched on many different things.

I think it's very much worth listening to. I know people here have mixed opinions on Hasan, and Norm has sometimes said very Boomer things, but it's a wonderful interview. Norm has so much knowledge and wisdom, and you can feel it constantly. He sometimes phrases things weirdly, or has a take I might not agree with fully, but none of it is without thought or consideration. It's worth a listen.