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The DSA would eliminate Americans’ constitutionally guaranteed right to criticize elected officials (by, among other things, nullifying the Citizens United decision)

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[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 45 points 2 days ago

Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.

back-to-me

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The DSA would eliminate Americans’ constitutionally guaranteed right to criticize elected officials (by, among other things, nullifying the Citizens United decision) or to petition them for redress of grievances (by abolishing lobbying)

Right because those are the problems everyone has with those two things, definitely nothing else

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

There's a reducto ad absurdum type argument that "the amount of spending allowed will go down until the only one who can speak is the State" (insert spooky sounds here)

Conservatives always do this this fear mongering where "the State" is framed as this ethereal other when the State could be a force for good or bad depending on who makes up it's people

I want a strong State if it is controlled by comrades with strong principles and committed to real representation instead of this farce we currently have.

I want to destroy a State that gives corporations control over politicians, lets bigots and racists use religion as a weapon to terrorize people, sics cops on any political opponents and kills piles of people every month...

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

So those two things didn’t exist before 2010 according to this logic

I mean they didn’t, but we-are-not-the-same

[-] Trioxin@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 2 days ago

TIL America was a totalitarian nightmare where you couldn't even criticize the state until 2010...

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 days ago

holy shit, two cakes

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 56 points 2 days ago

America is distinct because of its antidemocratic elements, not its democratic ones.

This but with a [derogatory] tag

[-] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago

The "dsa must be stopped" narrative is out in full force. At least Democrats and Republicans can agree on something

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

can agree on something

Other than forever wars and giving unlimited money and weapons to The Genocidal Entity, you mean?

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

It says less about the DSA and more that neither party has anything to put forward.

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Wait this isn't satire?

This works so well as satire.

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Impossible to tell these days isn't it?

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Chuds: “Anyone to the left of Hitler is a coastal elite out of touch with ordinary model citizens in the suburbs of Ohio!”

Also chuds: “We’re right because we simply are, ok? And it’s good that rubes like you have no say! Leave this to The Experts^TM^!”

It’s actually somewhat nice to see chuds and porks be the ones nailbiting over ‘saving democracy’, and watching their populist fervor deflate into blind reverence for the institutions they once opposed.

[-] whiskers165@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

This is the guy who thinks repealing Citizens United is a threat to the freedom of speech

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 50 points 2 days ago
[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago

Full text:

The Democratic Socialists of America, an insurgency within the Democratic Party, is having a moment, and it is showing us something worth noticing: This is the democracy John Adams warned us about.

Given the record of socialism in power, critics of the DSA and what it stands for are justified in suspecting that these radicals are not actually all that serious about the democratic part of democratic socialism, that the word “Democratic” in the faction’s name is no more meaningful than in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

But the thing to be feared here is the opposite: They are extremely serious about the democratic part and will strip Americans of their rights, liberty, and property in the name of—and with the aid of—democracy.

Democracy is the oxygen of the American political atmosphere, and as in the physical atmosphere, you only want a little bit of that oxygen—too much oxygen in the mix and the political metaphors start to write themselves: People develop tunnel vision, the central nervous system breaks down, tiny sparks turn into explosions and conflagrations, and the thing we cannot do without becomes the thing that kills us. Sola dosis facit venenum, advises the old physician Paracelsus: It is the dose that makes the poison.

What distinguishes the American constitutional order is not its democratic components—which it has in common with any number of daft utopian schemes and failed revolutionary projects—but its antidemocratic components: the Bill of Rights, which places Americans’ civil rights and civil liberties beyond the reach of mere majorities, the division of national powers among the branches and subdivision within the legislative branch, the further division of political power between the national government and the states, etc. On top of these is the broader American order that counterbalances political power per se with private power, including civic institutions explicitly protected by the Constitution (the press, religious bodies, private associations) as well as that greatest of all guarantors of liberty: property.

The DSA, in the name of democracy, proposes to remove all buffers between the individual and centralized national political power wielded on a purely majoritarian basis. The DSA would, according to its own platform, abolish the Senate, the presidency, and the Supreme Court, and replace the latter two with House committees controlled by the majority party. The DSA would eliminate Americans’ constitutionally guaranteed right to criticize elected officials (by, among other things, nullifying the Citizens United decision) or to petition them for redress of grievances (by abolishing lobbying), and put elections under the control of the majority party in Congress by mandating state to control of the financing of political campaigns. It would override property rights by imposing state ownership on U.S. businesses.

This is a formula for mob rule, of course, and the DSA would expand the size of the mob by extending voting rights to noncitizens and incarcerated felons. It is strange—and ahistorical—for the DSA to assume that it and its allies will always have the biggest mob, as though Donald Trump had not received millions more votes than Kamala Harris in 2024. Nationalists, socialists, and national socialists are always confident that they have the People on their side, and all of them are right—at times.

It is not only the radical left that wishes to eliminate our constitutional safeguards and competing centers of power. The so-called new right (the fourth or fifth “new right” in our political history) sneers at “procedural liberalism” and insists that the “common good” provides the caudillos of their dreams with a moral mandate to restrict economic liberties and ordinary daily liberties (see, e.g., Sohrab Ahmari’s entirely insipid odes to the so-called blue laws), to wield the force of the state to put American businesses (especially technology companies) under political discipline, etc. The most contemptible of them reject such foundational American commitments as religious liberty and advocate, as in the case of Curtis Yarvin, a return to monarchy. They speak more often in terms of old-fashioned European étatisme and that slippery “common good,” but the closer they approach to electoral politics the quicker they are to invoke “the People” on whose behalf they, like their leftist variants, purport to be acting. The division of power and structural limitations on political ambition are no less inconvenient to the utopians of the right than to the utopians of the left.

“Absolute power intoxicates alike despots, monarchs, aristocrats, and democrats,” as John Adams observed. Adams was at times terrifyingly prescient:

Obsta principiis, nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society.

(The war against foppery is, alas, evidently lost.)

Adams was famously acerbic on the subject of democracy—which, being an intelligent and educated man, he understood to be something distinct from what the United States has long enjoyed, i.e., a republican form of government with its motions controlled by certain limited democratic processes:

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty.

What the DSA has in mind is the democracy that Adams warned us about: one in which power, once blessed by a temporary majority, is arbitrary, undivided, and irresistible. The DSA promises that it will use this only to do good for the People, which is, of course, the same promise various peoples heard from the Jacobins before their Reign of Terror, from Lenin and Stalin before their terror, from Mao before his terror, from Hitler before his terror—and from Donald Trump, who murders and oppresses and steals and terrorizes while promising that his only ambition is to “Make America Great Again.” I do not mind if the ladies and gentlemen of the DSA wish to call that “democracy,” which is what John Adams called it.

But, if you ask me, terror is terror.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago

that greatest of all guarantors of liberty: property

Ah, classic:

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. You reproach us, therefore, with intending to do away with a form of property, the necessary condition for whose existence is the non-existence of any property for the immense majority of society. In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

Pure, unadulterated :smuglord: liberalism.

These people are worse than any Trump supporting chud, they're so smug about how right they think they are.

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 36 points 2 days ago

How does eliminating lobbying prevent anybody from criticizing elected officials? I hate this batshit backwards idiocy. I hope we can correct the mistakes of the past and make a better future for everybody.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 49 points 2 days ago

"Calling your congressman's office and leaving a message is basically the same thing as giving that congressman 50 million dollars, I am very smart"

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 30 points 2 days ago

"Bribing a congressman to vote in my personal interests because I have the most money is much better than working together to make the best decisions for everybody. I am very smart."

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A vampire telling you they're against legislation banning bloodsucking isn't a contradictory position. In fact I'd be more surprised to see one for that lol (love you Engels)

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago

A vampire telling you they're against legislation banning bloodsucking isn't a contradictory position

I need more information. Are they bullshitting? Where is the blood coming from?

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

They earned that blood fair and square. All those mooching virgins are just freeloaders.

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I got tripped up by the double negative 🙃 Now I understand, lol, thank you

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago
[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 25 points 2 days ago

that greatest of all guarantors of liberty: property.

wut?

The DSA, in the name of democracy, proposes to remove all buffers between the individual and centralized national political power wielded on a purely majoritarian basis.

In the name of democracy, they want to introduce democracy. Yay!

This is a formula for mob rule, of course

The mob of common people who are fed up with your bullshit? Sounds much better than the current gangster-style mob boss setup. Down with the don.

The DSA promises that it will use this only to do good for the People, which is, of course, the same promise various peoples heard from the Jacobins before their Reign of Terror, from Lenin and Stalin before their terror, from Mao before his terror, from Hitler before his terror—and from Donald Trump, who murders and oppresses and steals and terrorizes while promising that his only ambition is to “Make America Great Again.”

You have highlighted the problem with dictators. Let's try true democracy.

I do not mind if the ladies and gentlemen of the DSA wish to call that “democracy,” which is what John Adams called it. But, if you ask me, terror is terror.

It is natural to be scared. The future is unknown, change can be uncomfortable. But change is necessary for growth, for improvement. I wonder how much we could accomplish if we all cooperated. And we should! We share this existence, this planet, these resources. It is in our best interests to work together.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

But, if you ask me, terror is terror.

He knows he deserves to be on the chopping block.

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

When our turn comes ... and so on.

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Conservatives have fearmongered about “mob rule” since the Roman Republic and earlier[^1]. It’s the most telling of the racism, classism, ableism, misogyny etc all implicit in liberal thought

[^1]: Michael Parenti’s Assassination of Julius Caesar is a good investigation of this fear as it related to Caesar’s assassination, as he pursued certain policies that lent modest increased power to the masses

[-] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago

I just had a boomer relative post on Facebook quoting Khrushchev saying the US is now fully communist. So congrats everybody!

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

Can't wait for the state to wither away

[-] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

I’ve got $500 on Kalshi that says it’ll wither by 2030

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago

On top of these is the broader American order that counterbalances political power per se with private power, including civic institutions explicitly protected by the Constitution (the press, religious bodies, private associations) as well as that greatest of all guarantors of liberty: property.

Of course, we must protect the “liberty” of property owners against the vulgar renters. Typical libertarian jagoff

[-] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago
[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

This is the kind of article (and author) that the Chapos started both the Reading Series and the Duck Hunt for.

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[-] Nopeace@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago
[-] RION@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago
this post was submitted on 30 Jul 2026
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