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[-] WormFood@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

The usefulness of alphafold had been grossly overstated by science media. The structures it generates are mostly nonsense, they typically can't generate molecular dynamics simulation trajectories with the correct physical properties, which makes them not useful for drug discovery. in computational biology today you'll most often find them in use as a starting point for structure refinement or as one of many sources of data for some integrative method. Again, not useless, and an improvement over previous structure prediction algorithms, but they didn't 'solve protein folding' or anything, like Google might have you believe. I don't put much stock in Nobel prizes, I mean, they gave one to Henry Kissinger.

Google also released alphafold 3 under a strict non commercial license, which severely limited its usefulness for both commercial and academic work, the latter of which all but requires using more permissive licenses. I assume Google wanted to monetize a commercial version of it at some point.

I've been using Openfold 3 in some work I've been doing recently, and while the software is a bit undercooked, it does produce structures similar to alphafold 3 without any of Google's bullshit. So I wouldn't worry too much about this announcement. The protein folding will continue with or without them

[-] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

they seriously out here shutting down the one universally accepted good this shitshow has brought us?

ffs man

really making it hard for the common person to not fucking hate their guts, between shit like this, data center pollution and the growing mental health crisis of people with cyberpsychosis getting talked into suicide by the llm

edit: shit i got jebaited by the title i think... the project is still available as is but the scientists have been moved to other projects yes?

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

They basically shifted all the research that they were doing through alpha fold to Isomorphic Labs.

Edit: there's a case to be made for the idea that they may have wanted to lower the public profile of the work they are doing in order to monetize it. Alpha fold was a non-profit endeavor, and switching it over to isomorphic labs may give them the opportunity to sell their research as a product instead of giving it away for free.

Go capitalism! 😒

[-] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

yeah i got jebaited hard lol, thx for confirming

[-] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Sounds like they just moved the research over to isomorphic labs, also even from the onset people quickly took the original approach and paper and made their own versions tuned for their needs.

Feels more like a research project having achieved its goals, the key players moved on, and they're closing the Deepmind part of it as it's not really useful anymore.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

The next big thing in AI is "if LLMs reach sentience and AGI status, they'll be doing even more great things".

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

delusional dimwits dreaming dollar signs

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 9 points 19 hours ago

~~Don't~~ be [maximally] evil.

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 4 points 16 hours ago

Google: A little evil is okay.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago

Very evil is fine too for them

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So instead of continuing a project that could cure diseases and help understand human biology they'll focus on a system I use for asking questions like "What adhesive is best to attaching siding trim?"

[-] rethnor@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago

At this point in time ai is just a data gathering tool

[-] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Exactly. No offense to the average liberal but this whole "but what will happen to all the compute and data centers when the AI bubble bursts" is so tiring.

Firstly, the fascist regime will absolutely bail out a few key companies. Secondly, all those centers will be used for mass surveillance, war games, predictive policing (and population control), and all the other shit in the fascist grabbag.

There is absolutely a level of speculation to this insane bubble. I'm not going to sit here and tell you to ignore the evidence of your eyes. Obviously there is an aspect of short sighted money chasing (pretty standard capitalist bs), and there is absolutely an aspect of corporate greed and the companies trying to outbuild, outcompute one another. But for the people at the top (Miller, Thiel, Elston, Musk maybe, and others), they absolutely have long term goals. They are definitely getting rich off the bubble and benefiting from the short term insanity, but there is more there.

These neofeudalist assholes want to see us in chains, under their ever watchful AI eyes.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Mass surveillance, is of questionable value beyond just creating a database of footage. Police DON'T aim to "solve all crime and be good guys". They barely aim for investigating all crimes, and most crime they'd just need a time and date for to look at the footage only IF and WHEN a crime is reported. They're not going to spend police resources to have cops sift through footage the AI has guessed there's crime in every day. That would just cost time/money. At best it might be used for facial recognition at protests - but facial recognition systems predate AI, so it's superfluous.

war games, takes appropriate training data which is increadibly difficult to simulate and get the right answers from. There are already various war-gaming departments who have been trying to do this. The YouTube channel People Make Games has an episode on this - war just has so many variables that beyond the basics of troops numbers and geography it's kind of difficult. But even if this becomes a use, it's niche, it wouldn't require a large amount of compute, each country only has one military... And spending on research projects (eg. DARPA) isn't new. It's not enough to be a "big win" for 3 AI giants, it's more a step back to where they came from.

predictive policing (and population control) hang on, wasn't this your first example? Again, mis-matches and police time checking the AI are going to cost too much, and those programs would cost big money in lawsuits and time. It'd be the first program cut by most departments.

I see nothing realistic here.

More likely uses are jobs that burn through a lot of copy writers: spam/marketing, realestate ads, search engines and researching, little buddies and toys, publishing (sadly), video games, weather bureaus, text transcription and translation, scams and telemarketing. Things there's lots of data on, and close to zero risk with.

[-] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

You're assuming that the police will actually sift through footage in a meaningful way instead of just trusting faulty, fascist trained ai algorithms. Like that one guy who got mistaken by an AI profiling systen at a casino for someone who was kicked out, and when handed his license to prove he was a different person, the cops LITERALLY just refused to believe the evidence of their eyes. They took him to jail because the almighty machine could never be wrong. The story is wild: https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/2026/03/11/ai-software-tells-cops-to-arrest-the-wrong-guy/.

An elderly lady misidentified by Flock, held for 6 months in jail: https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-grandmother-jail-mistake

I'm sorry that apparently this fascist threat isn't enough for you to think it's a big deal, but it is.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Your examples are about AIs costing police departments money, which is what I'm saying. I'm saying it won't be a viable use long term, BECAUSE of the blow back in time, lawsuits, and money.

As I said earlier; "Again, mis-matches and police time checking the AI are going to cost too much, and those programs would cost big money in lawsuits and time. It'd be the first program cut by most departments."

More likely uses are jobs that burn through a lot of copy writers: spam/marketing, realestate ads, search engines and researching, little buddies and toys, publishing (sadly), video games, weather bureaus, text transcription and translation, scams and telemarketing. Things there's lots of data on, and close to zero risk with.

[-] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

What about the billions ICE is spending on stockpiling weapons and vehicles, the increased military budget, rhe continued erosion of our rights, and the almost certainly rigged upcoming midterms suggests lawsuits and courts are going to be any impediment to the fascists eventually?

And no, I'm not saying we just roll over and give up. But I am being realistic with the way that most authoritarian regimes go, and how they consolidate all power. Trump campaigned on giving politice as much immunity as he could, and that includes the way that courts punish police oversight and brutality. He's actually delivered quite well on the things that benefit him and his cronies. And since police serve as the Pinkerton class of capital, I think once he gets enough power, he will fulfill that promise.

Give DHS as much immunity as they need, CiA and FBI clearance and permissions up the wazoo, and anything else they need to stay in power.

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[-] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, you see, there are dozens of adhesive manufacturers willing to pay for advertising or top indexing, while any medical research that could incidentally mention gender or race has its funding set on fire by the US government.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

"Finish nailer will get it through warranty and then it's not our problem."

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[-] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 day ago

It’s kind of a marvel that we all have the bulk of human knowledge at our fingertips, and instead of noble pursuits we largely use it for social manipulation and power grabs.

I guess there is just more population control in misinformation than there is in curing disease.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The radio was originally imagined to be a public education and cultural broadcast system. Instead it broadcast Amos and Andy.

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[-] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 37 points 1 day ago

So they want the chat bot that lies instead of the science machine that cures cancers.

Wouldn't expect any less from the company that removed "Dont be evil" from its company charter.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 30 points 1 day ago

Funny, one of the first arguments I had about AI was with someone who insisted it would be incredibly helpful at predicting protein folds.

[-] Prathas@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago
[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To be clear, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing about AI's utility, just about how protein fold AI isn't the same as LLM AI; we've used computer models for predictions of protein structure and genetic mutation severity for a while, though they have always been taken with a grain of salt that I fear is no longer being done - a prediction is still a prediction, after all. Doctors were already incorrectly confusing computer model predictions of genetic mutation severity for positive test results back when I was working as a genetic counselor in the 2010's - my concern is that the widespread trust of "AI" is only going to exacerbate that.

I'm a bit confused, though. The AI doing it was AlphaFold, which is shutting down. Shouldn't your statement be AI was already doing it? Gemini is an LLM - not the same type of thing as AlphaFold, despite the fact that they're both called "AI," which was the cause of my original argument. The AI that was doing the protein fold prediction is being replaced with an "AI" that can't. It looks like there's still RoseTTAFold, but losing the frontrunner is still not great when it's shutting down to focus more on LLM's.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 18 hours ago

It's a actually fairly similar to LLMs architecturally. Tokens go in, pretrained transformers do black box magic, tokens come out.

Advancements in one may very well carry over to the other so maybe there'll be an alphafold 4 one day but for now universities have access to 3 and can run it if they have the compute.

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Engadget changed the click bait title.

Google is not shutting down alphafold.

New title: Google DeepMind disbands its Nobel-prize winning AlphaFold team

Although the url slug still says:

https://www.engadget.com/2225849/google-shuts-down-alphafold/

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

There is no story here, the original Alphafold team was moving to the private pharma service version of Alphafold. alpha fold continues, nothing is shut down.

Engadget should stick to iphone reviews.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 day ago

So the actually useful product gets shit down for the useless product

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[-] HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

Where is the problem? With imprisonments in AI it's just a legacy system

[-] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

A tragedy has befallen humanity.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 day ago

We've created the great filter that explains the Fermi paradox.

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[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 261 points 1 day ago

The cost in preventable deaths, had we been continuing protein research instead of pouring the world’s resources into a fancy autocorrect, is incalculable.

[-] AAA@feddit.org 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But you need to understand, preventing deaths doesn't make Google any money. Please think about the poor corporation!

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 134 points 1 day ago

Google. The graveyard of projects.

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[-] corbindallas@fedinsfw.app 96 points 1 day ago

alphafold isn't sunsetting, they are dismantling the original research team. its still active and being worked on

[-] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

It looks like the open source project is dead and Google has transferred only some of the researchers to a for-profit pharmaceutical-to-be company.

This company appears to have gotten $600 million thanks to Jared Kushner's brother back in 2025

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphic_Labs

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[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 154 points 1 day ago

Holy shit, that is so fucking stupid. This has so much potential. This is such an anti-human pattern.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 49 points 1 day ago

So I finally let my Android Auto update from Google Assistant to Gemini, which it's been wanting for months.

First thing I did was prompt it to play a specific artist, just like I do at least once a week since it forces me to use the voice activation instead of the on screen keyboard, even when there are passengers that can type. It responded saying it is not capable of playing music at all. Wtf.

So I then rephrase and tell it to play the artist on YouTube Music... And it does so, but doesn't get the artist even close to correct. I had to prompt it 5 times with varying emphasis to get it to finally get it right.

So literally the first thing it did wa like to me... and then it worked correctly less than 20% of the time... So much better than the Assistant it replaced that never gave me a problem. Totally better.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My car with Google assistant interrupted my conversation with my girlfriend yesterday and started giving me a haiku very loudly for no reason. I guess it was listening and thought we said haiku...

At least it made us laugh. But technology is ridiculous right now. So much shit we don't want or need.

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[-] plyth@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago

Jumper announced in June that he was leaving DeepMind to join Anthropic.

Key people were leaving.

Other former staff members were reassigned to Alphabet's drug-discovery company Isomorphic Labs, which is a DeepMind spin-off.

It's not as bad as the headline makes it sound.

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