Ist Reddit nicht nur noch alles Bots zum Ragebaiten?
Als jemand, dem es vor zwei Wochen fast den Fingernagel umgeklappt hat beim Versuch, die "gefalteten" Kartons der Nachbarn in die Tonne zu drücken, habe ich absolutes Verständnis mit der alten Dame. In meiner vorherigen Wohnung hatten wir auch eine Person, der das vorherige Zerkleinern der Kartons sehr wichtig war und was soll ich sagen? Sie hatte Recht. Es passt viel mehr in die Tonne, wenn alle es vorher klein machen. Das bedeutet weniger Nebenkosten für alle. Seitdem bin ich auch Kartonagen-Alman.
Ich beschreite einen Mittelweg bei dem ich alles zusammenfalte und dann ein paar Minuten drauf rumtrampel. Das ist auch super zum Frustabbau.
Man spricht im Allgemeinen erstmal miteinander, bevor man Anwälte, Polizei und Ähnliche einschaltet.
Stimme ich natürlich zu. Mein "Verständnis" bezieht sich auf die Frustration der alten Dame.
Altpapier Entsorgung ist fast überall kostenlos, btw
(Ändert jetzt nichts, wenn die Tonne voll ist, aber teurer wird's nicht)
Did the lady try to talk to her neighbor first?
OOP does not clarify.
But.
I have seen what happens when you put cardboard boxes whole in the cardboard recycling bin: it's "full" immediately!
I have also seen people who do not remove the styrofoam filling before dumping them.
Or don't even bother putting them inside the bin, just leaving it by the side.
All that gets my blood boiling. This casual carelessness because "it's trash, so what?"
Again, the first step should always be to point this out to newcomers, but.
The fact that OOP basically says "cardboard is nothing" and says they'd burn it instead tells me they just might be the asshole here.
The neighbor should've just talked to OP first.
But yeah, how hard is it for people to flatten their cardboard? Dare I say, it is even fun sometimes getting to stomp on it.
It's definitely fun!
OOP didn't bother to remove the address stickers, a minor effort that would have protected them from this very situation, and if they didn't bother to do even that...
That said, going straight to the legal system in this situation is also an asshole move. Definitely a case of "we're probably not getting the whole story, but how would we even know?"
Who tf removes adress stickers before getting rid of trash in their own trashbin
The people in your house already know where you live and whats your name
Not all stickers are paper recyclable.
That might be correct
But not what the original comment was about
Yea, I got a slight tingle here of OOP not being entirely without a fault on this one. But then again, my flavour of the ‘tism makes me meticulously fold and compact all of my trash to avoid any wasted space.
9/10 times it's a legit problem, the neighbour would just ask you nicely. If some nutjob writes you an invoice, you can safely ignore it. Going through someone's trash and photographing indentifying information on the other hand is a felony, so OOP might've just found a way to finance that lawyer for themselves.
But this is one side of a story in which the neighbour went from 0 to lawyer with no warning and OOP (presumed innocent and tidy) is apparently fed up with the entire country because of that. Seems to me pretty escalatory by the only side presenting the narrative.
So giving the benefit of the doubt to the othe side: if you are a messy tenant and do not listen to reason, good riddance to you.
If some nutjob writes you an invoice, you can safely ignore it
Disagree: You cannot safely ignore this, because it is not a normal invoice and not some primitive nutjob.
There is a lawyer behind it, and this lawyer wants to get paid. Something that does not go away by itself.
It is just a lawyer - they can ask and demand anything they like. If it's unjustified (like here for example) just ignore it.
If it's something from COURT, you HAVE to answer it. But lawyers - don't give them more credit than they deserve
you can ignore it if it isn't a court mandated order. the lawyer wants to be paid, but they don't need to be paid by OOP. they're perfectly fine being paid by the harassing neighbor, which is what will happen eventually. there are always some of these harassment cases, and generally they go away if you just ignore them because there is no legal backing. the lawyer just scares you into compliance and if you pay that gets seen as an admission of guilt. there are several types of legal letters but most of them don't require responding at all.
I'm with you on this. Nothing screams entitlement more than throwing uncut/unfolded boxes in the bin.
We all know OP didn't fold his boxes at all and just stuffed them in there, blocking up the system. Every time the lady wanted to use the paper container it would be blocked and she would have to reach in there and remove all of his shit. Then properly collapse the boxes and put them back. OP has also been told multiple times to fix his shit and there is a sign above the paper container as well.
The exact same thing happened where I work. Some idiot would just stuff an unfolded box in the paper container and would block it for everyone.
that's just ragefiction, none of this is mentioned in the og post
So we should take everything OP says at face value, even though that seems like it's pretty insane?
You and me both know that people like the old lady in the post exist. I'd also assume that someone who collects compost separately from restmüll will probably fold their boxes in a rational manner.
„Wir sind hier nicht in Vietnam! Wir sind in Baden-Württemberg, da gibt es Regeln!“

Krieg, Krieg bleibt immer gleich
Und? Wie hat OP denn die Kartons gefaltet? Ich will ein Fotobeweis, also die Chancen sind eher gering bei der Beschreibung der Nachbarin. Aber villeicht isser ja doch das Arsch?!
Point number one: throwing boxes into the bin with your address labels on is fucking dumb.
Point number two: throwing boxes into the paper bin without flattening then is also fucking dumb.
Obviously, if that's all the guy did (provided this story has any basis in reality at all) sending a letter from a lawyer is totally over the top and in no way justified. I also doubt any lawyer would stoop to that, but then, they're lawyers, so there's that. On top of that, unless that neighbour owns the property, they have absolutely no business trying to enforce any rules there.
All in all, either there's more to this story, or OP met an actual crazy person. These exist everywhere and their craziness manifests in a variety of ways. Sending legal letters is one of the less scary ones, if you ask me.
Why should I have to pull off the DHL stickers of my cart board boxes before I throw it into the trash???
Because then anyone who is able to come to your house can just find your address for free
If they come to my house they will be at my address and if they look at the doorbell panel they will have my name with first initial... Why go through the trash for that??
This is one of the many reasons I always destroy anything bearing my name before disposal.
Just for explanation: The lady has probably not spent money on a lawyer. The lawyer demands it from you as the "guilty" party (presumed guilty, because no court is involved so far).
If you want to save some money, google for the term "modifizierte Unterlassungserklärung". Hopefully you find good instructions there.
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