YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users::Users are reporting that YouTube has begun adding a five second delay when loading a video on non-Chrome browsers like Firefox. Read on!

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[–] 163 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's an antitrust lawsuit waiting to happen

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  • [–] 88 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Here’s a reason why net neutrality laws are good

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    not defending the behavior, but is this even an example of net neutrality? it's not like ISPs are putting a slow lane for specific browsers in this case. it seems more like a shitty dark pattern type thing (which should have consumer protections as well)

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    It could still be argued as net neutrality, because the browser with the largest market share is slowing down bits on their way to a different browser when it comes to their video service.

    It also should be viewed negatively through an anti-competitive/monopolization lens.

    If the internet is truly and open platform where no bits are treated differently on the path to the user based on their content, then this is inherently antithetical to that. Slowing down bits because you don't like whats in them or where they are going is fundamentally breaking Net Neutrality rules. The interruption of bits on their path is what makes it a Net Neutrality issue.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    correct me if I'm wrong but I thought net neutrality by definition was the ISPs doing these shenanigans. at least that's what I gathered when the whole topic was blowing up with that guy with the face we all up voted on Reddit so he'd show up on Google Images under "punchable faces" or something.

    I agree this is an anti-competitive tactic. that's what I was referring to as it being a shitty dark pattern thing - to lure people into using their tools.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Anti-trust laws should handle it. Google is using their market power to push users from their competition to their product. It's pretty basic anti-competition behavior that is covered by classic consumer protection laws. I don't think there's any reason why net-neutrality would be needed or apply in this case.

    We still need net-neutrality, just not for this reason.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    fun fact, i had been noticing this for over a week or two already, today, after the first posts about this were gaining traction it stopped. They are probably trying to erase their tracks and make it seem like something that only happened to a few people for an unrelated reason.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If YouTube really wanted to piss people off, all they would have to do is play the audio out of sync with the video. ;) I know, I know, "don't give them ideas!"

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is not Firefox specific. It's another anti ad blocker technique they're trying.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Everyone not on chrome/chromium based browser it seems. Get everyone to switch to chrome then remove chrome's ability to block ads I assume is the plan, though I doubt anyone using Firefox isn't aware of chrome and this is likely to push them further away, not towards it.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Time to spoof the user agent?

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Nah, just be patient and wait the 5s. They are trying to create an artificial problem to try to make users switch to their garbage Chrome browser. When they see that Firefox users are smarter and don't give a shit about their stupid tactics, or even better, use different apps like FreeTube to see the videos, they will stop. Either that or destroy the platform.

    I wait the 5 secs, don't bother me at all. It's not like they are an ad... :D

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Friendly reminder you can watch YouTube videos in VLC (I have not tested whether speed is affected this way)

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure it takes more effort, if not also time, to copy URL into VLC every time i find a video.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    The article gives the game away. Just change your user agent and you're golden.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't put it past them, but I think it needs more evidence.

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    The video in the article does not clear caches before retrying and seeing a faster load. Amateur hour.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They actually found a 5-second sleep embedded in the JavaScript, so it's not the cache.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Depends, in the original Reddit thread, someone already pointed out that this 5s delay is to wait for some ad thing and then execute code if it doesn’t work within this timeframe. So… depending on what gets cached, blocked, loaded,… it might behave differently on a reload depending on cached data

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    They found something which waits for five seconds and then does something. At least part of the thing in question was removing some stuff from the DOM - I couldn't understand anything else from the minified JS. That is not a smoking gun.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    They also restrict subscriptions to one account if you buy anything on the playstore. Subscriptions which aren't restricted by their creators. Google has become a full shitshow. I'll take care to give them 0$ from now on.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    yt-[tab-tab] (paste)

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  • Petty Alphabet…petty. Do you not have a killer AI coming? What does YouTube even matter in the face of what is coming. Do you really have competitive AI?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Why does this sub allow duplicate posts?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I've noticed that when I open a video in a new tab instead of just left-clicking it. Slightly annoying but better than ads and using chrome.

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