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[–] 151 points 3 months ago

Roku used to be pretty great, but the writing was on the wall after the IPO in 2017. This is just one more step in the decade-long march toward total enshittification.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    does the UI just render blank squares in that case?

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  • In some cases. There is a blank square on the main menu. The idle screen also normally had an ad. The idle screen looks like a scrolling cartoon panoramic shot of a street, and the ad is a billboard on the side of the street. That billboard simply isn’t there at all if the ad is blocked.

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    [–] 57 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is technically correct, but it’s not new. They’ve had this ad for years.

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    [–] 49 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    FYI if you already have a Roku, you can block these with a network level ad blocker like Pihole.

    Edit: Here’s a list of common Smart TV domains to block.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I was using NextDNS instead of pihole because I wanted my ad blocking to still work when I’m out and about.

    Couldn’t stay on the free tier because I make so many DNS requests. Which seemed weird - it’s just the two of us using the network?

    Lo and behold, the fucking forgotten Roku attached to a TV was doing a fresh DNS lookup every 30 seconds to try to call home and send telemetry data. It accounted for like 60% of my DNS traffic!

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  • I use a simple WireGuard VPN to use my home DNS when I’m out. This container from linuxserver.io was really easy to set up, and the WireGuard app works great on iOS/Android. You can even have it automatically turn on and off depending on your network.

    I tried fancy mesh networks like Tailscale, but it was over-complicated for my setup and kept causing DNS issues. Some people find this works well for them, though.

    Either way, you can go full self-hosted this way and save money.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    I know everyone shits on Apple but … my cheap Apple TV has 0 ads, except the ads the apps may have.

    I assume Google has, and probably killed, at least 1 variant?

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Roku is another prime example of enshitification.

    Now I have all my "smart" TVs disconnected, and I hooked up some inexpensive Android TV boxes (with a couple minor modifications). No more ads!

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    [–] 22 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    We really need to figure out an open source TV OS or something. I want a Linux based OS for a small PC explicitly to stream Plex or other streaming services. I think I read that licensing for the transcoding or something was the hang up.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    I think I read that licensing for the transcoding or something was the hang up.

    There's several problems. Transcoding is one but there's also issues with content providers requiring the use of their own apps along with Linux not (until very recently) being able to use any HDMI spec beyond 2.0.

    I've been a ROKU user for over a decade but the last year has had me thinking more and more about boxing up my devices and sending them to their HQ with a note "Since you treat these like you own them I figured I'd just send them to you."

    I am really REALLY tired of them dicking with my boxes and updating / reconfiguring things however and whenever they see fit.

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    [–] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Great, I got rid of Amazon fire stick after they stuck ads in movies and got a Roku.

    Now I'll have to switch again or start pirating. Another loss for civilization

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    [–] 21 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    People love to hate Apple, and that's fine (Tim Cook sucks ass), but the AppleTV is honestly the best streamer and you can't change my mind.

    Zero ads on the Home Screen, and even the first gen 4K box that came out 8 years ago is still fast as hell and getting updates.

    I know this because I had one in my closet and just took it out the other day when setting up a TV in my bedroom. It downloaded updates and is now rocking and rolling again.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    My family knows me as the anti-apple IT Guy. So, it shocked everyone when I brought home a Best Buy open box Apple TV 4K (saved me $20US).

    Honestly, this is my first Apple purchase since my ipod and I have to admit: it's good.

    Roku has lost their way and my 3 Roku Ultra devices are all dying for reasons unknown (freezing, random reboots, spinning endlessly when trying to open an app). I'm just so done with them (and Nvidia) for my streaming hardware business.

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    [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (13 children)

    How do people tolerate this? Just looking at this pic makes me want to turn it off and throw it out the window.

    Literally nothing about the interface is about the user. It all screams everything except what you might want or need. Well, maybe the Zootopia tile is good, of all things, but not much else.

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    [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Roku had the best ui a few years ago, everything i dont contol is just shit now.

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    [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Mine haven’t been connected to the internet since about a year before they pushed out that update that forced you to agree to their revised surveillance terms or you could never use it again.

    My googleOS TCL never got internet access in the first place. Who needs integrated apps when you have tons of mostly old computers kicking around?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You can also just block it via a Pi-Hole. My Roku works fine as a smart TV, but has no ads because they can’t load from the ad server. I also blocked the telemetry server too. So I get all the benefits of having a smart TV (like convenient apps, instead of needing to use a HTPC as a workaround), and none of the downsides like ads.

    The built-in ads were actually what led to me finally setting up my pihole after moving. I had it set up in my old apartment, and my wife was used to having it quietly running. She didn’t really realize how much it blocked until we moved. After the move, I was busy with unpacking, work, etc and didn’t have a whole lot of free time. So the network was just running on the new ISP’s provided modem/router until I had the time to get all my server shit unpacked and set up. My wife kept dragging me away for other tasks, so it was like three weeks before I even had time to touch the box that my pi-hole was in.

    I finally got time to set my pi-hole up because my wife had the Roku TV paused, it went to the idle screen, and she saw an ad scroll past on the idle screen. She turned to me and was like “okay yeah, you need to go set up that adblocker thingy. Ads on the fucking idle screen? I knew ads were getting pervasive these days, but what the fuck?” The next day, she left me alone so I would have time to actually get everything plugged in and configured. Seeing that ad on the idle screen was the moment that cemented in her mind that an adblocker is a necessary part of the network.

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    [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    They have been slowing ramping up the enshitification over the last year. It time to add some more features to my Kodi install!

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
    1. Buy one or more NVIDIA Shield Pro 2019 editions for whatever TV (and make sure whatever brand TV you use is itself completely disconnected from the internet) you like watching things on.

    2. Replace the built-in NVIDIA / Google Launcher with a custom one like WOLF or FLauncher completely free of ads.

    There are completely ad-free wonderful little alternatives to every ever-enshittifying service out there...

    • YouTube - > SmartTube Next

    • Subscription Streaming Services - > Plex (or Jellyfin if you're just doing local and no special devices that need transcoding)

    • Twitch -> S0undTV

    1. Combine that with a NAS of your choice and (optionally) a few pieces of free software setup through a containerized deployment system like docker by following the guidance of Dr. Frankenstein along with an account with Mullvad.

    ...Any other steps there may or may not be are for you to figure out on your own.

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I built Kyu Launcher so you can get Roku experience on your Android TV.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Roku has had a big ad on the side for a while now? I've been blocking it with DNS.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I really really wish general society had brains.

    I'm not preaching anything new here, that people who know what a fediverse wouldn't already know.

    That being said, never buy roku anything. This isn't new. It seems every 3-6 months I read a new headline where roku shits all over their customers.

    And I know I know this. And I know you know this. However I also know we collectively are like 3% of society. Walk into any target or walmart or best buy, and you'll see walls and walls of tv's. And 90% of them say they have roku built into the menu. Well, WE know not to buy that tv. However, everybody else still buys it, and then complains 2 years later when their tv is bogged down and slow and they need a new tv.

    I really wish it were legal to stand in these stores, and anytime someone tries to buy a roku, or roku tv, I could just beat the shit out of them with a tire iron. In my mind that seems like a perfectly justifiable response. But apperently thats "assult" and I would be "deranged" and "psychotic to even think that was ok".

    Pssshhhh......

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    [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    The easiest way to avoid ads is use an android streamer (I use the Google tv streamer) and install projectivity launcher. You get the cleanest UI that's fully customizable with only what you want to see. I also installed a button remapper app to change the netflix button on my remote to open Plex. It's a very easy stress-free experience using my tv

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    laughs in a Linux Raspi, hooked up to a dumb projector, sitting behind a pihole and streaming from an in-house Jellyfin media server

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    [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    It's why I'll switch after mine stops working. Terrible UI now.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Mine doesn’t. Because I set it up with no Internet connection, so it’s just a dumb tv now.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Are there any TVs nowadays that don't advertise to you? I bought a Hisense about 6 years ago because it supposedly didn't advertise. 2 years into getting the TV it advertises now. Any suggestions for a TV that just lets me watch?

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