If you are interested in privacy you are probably interested in password storage ... plus I wanted everyone to know about the inevitable future enshitification of this product. Spread the word and replacement recommendations are welcome too.

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[–] 96 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This is really disappointing... I figured the open source nature of Bitwarden would save it from enshittification but as the author says, in the end, the company doesn't need to keep it open source.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    That's the difference between libre software and merely open source software.

    Libre licenses make it hard or impractical to close the source at a later date.

    Open source licenses are much more permissive and allow any entity to produce a closed source derivation at any time.

    Libre licenses are all about strategically protecting the software commons from privatization.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Vaultwarden will survive. Since the client is open source, once they close the API and break compatibility of the clients with Vaultwarden, the old version of the app can simply be forked and rebranded. I also do hope that the KeyGuard app will continue to support vaultwarden as well since if bitwarden closes the API and makes a breaking change, as is likely to happen, it will break KeyGuard as well, but it will still work with VaultWarden for some time.

    The real issue is that many people who are using Bitwarden aren't savvy enough to host Vaultwarden in a secure way. Many people are careless with things like secret keys and such and dont know how to properly secure a web facing app or a VPN into their local network. But anyone who self hosts should result learn those things anyway. This one just happens to be a particularly high risk since it contains all of your passwords for everything else.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is why despite me self hosting some things I don't rely on vaultwarden. I'm a flawed person and my family has no idea about anything. I don't need to stretch my imagination very far to think of a handful of reasons why it would fail my situation. I'll gladly pay for a password manager to not have to deal with that.

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    [–] 36 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    if you were looking for an excuse to torpedo this abomination, here it is. hosting this gargantuan stack just for an encrypted csv file? at least the client (electron) gobbles up RAM like it's free while being bug-compatible with whatever chrome version was current half a year ago.

    sadly, news ain't great on the other side of the fence - keepassXC dev is all-in on vibeshitting; latest non-polluted version is 2.7.9.; works fine and the stuff they're working on is pretty far from essential. some unknown folks forked it but who's to say what their expertise is.

    never thought I'd disable my autoupdate timers but here we are. keep your eyes open.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Can you explain the issues with KeePass? Or is there another thread?

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    the dev vibecodes; I make a distinction between using the crap as a boilerplate helper and a full-blown agentic "hey computer, do this but do it super-good!". not only that, they got a super-asshole vibe as they removed claude traces from the repo and then flaunted that it's so people won't know what parts were vibeshat. "good luck finding the cutoff point", I'm paraphrasing here.

    to each their own, but that's a hard pass for that fork from me.

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    TLDR: Self-host Vaultwarden

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Time to recommend alternatives?!

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Nothing has beaten KeePass for me so far. It takes a bit of setting up if you want your database to sync among all your devices, but in other aspects it's perfect for me

    EDIT: In case you're curious, I use KeePassXC on PC, KeePassDX on Android, and Syncthing to sync the database.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    damn I just migrated to bitwarden a few months back :(

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    You still have some time to decide which route to go. If you're on the free version, stay there, but start looking for alternatives.

    Proton Pass is an option. KeePass with Syncthing works great, but it is a dramatically different and more involved workflow.

    I am using both, and deleted my Bitwarden account yesterday the moment I heard about this.

    Also, I can't suggest enough that you export all your credentials to an encrypted json file every now and then, and store it on an offline storage device. This is important.

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    [–] 19 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I'm done with cloud providers for this shit, I'm going all in for Keepass

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    God, capitalism sucks

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Is it time block headlines with "quiet"? Its like AI decided that word gets the most clicks and its showing up everywhere.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    OOP is AI writing about AI

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I have nothing but good things to say about Proton Pass. Syncs across iOS, macos, PC & Linux, stores not just usernames & passwords, but short notes, product keys, & can generate temporary email addresses that can be disabled when they start receiving spam

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Nothing is stopping Proton from doing the same thing next week. And seeing how many people lock themselves in to Proton (by using all their services, Apple style), they have a strong incentive to also do some "restructuring" and spike prices.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How will this affect vaultwarden? I've been using it for 5 years and absolutely love it. I'm worried that I'll need to switch to something else though?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    The Article says:

    A Note for Vaultwarden Users

    Whether self-hosting stays viable long-term is the real question worth sitting with.

    Right now it works because Bitwarden’s clients are open source and the server API is public. Vaultwarden implements that API, and the official apps can’t tell the difference. That depends on Bitwarden continuing to publish open source clients and not restricting which servers they’ll talk to — neither of which is guaranteed under new management.

    The brake on the worst case: self-hosting is a listed Enterprise feature that generates real revenue. Killing it upsets paying business customers. That matters.

    The catch: what Bitwarden sells to enterprises is their own official server stack, not Vaultwarden. Vaultwarden exists in a space they’ve tolerated but never endorsed. If the calculus shifts, the tolerance ends without any announcement. Just let the API drift until compatibility breaks on its own.

    I don’t think that’s imminent. But I also thought the free tier commitment was ironclad, and “Always free” isn’t on the page anymore.The real safety net is that Bitwarden’s clients are Apache 2.0 licensed. A fork would need a rebrand to stay clear of the trademark — different name, tweaked UI, same engine — but that’s a speed bump, not a wall. The web vault works through any browser regardless of what happens to the apps, so worst case you’d lose autofill temporarily while a fork caught up. Inconvenient, not catastrophic. Vaultwarden itself is already proof the model works.

    Watch the clients. If they go closed, the community will notice fast, and the fork will follow.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    It shouldn't in theory. Worst case is if bitwarden closes source, just fork the latest current open version and use it.

    Ideally, a group, either independent or joining with vaultwarden devs, can build/maintain the frontend for vaultwarden that is bitwarden.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Privacy oriented self-hosting survival guide, where can I find one?

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    [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Hey Login seems promising Free for private users, hosted in germany and end2end

    https://www.heylogin.com/en

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I guess I need to go back to a handy notebook.

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