Relegated in 2006 to an optional piece of learning in Ontario elementary schools, cursive writing is set to return as a mandatory part of the curriculum starting in September.

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[–] 23 points 3 years ago (2 children)

β€œA return to phonics and, for example, cursive writing is another example where the government is leaning into the evidence and following the voice of many parents who wanted us to really embrace those practices that for generations have worked."

So parents complained. Got it.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I just don't see the point? I had to learn cursive in elementary and haven't used it at all since then. There has to be more valuable things these kids could be learning.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It can be useful to learn for the purpose of knowing how to read it. There's still a large population of cursive writers about. I doubt cursive usage will grow anymore, even teaching it, as everything is computer based these days.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Seriously? Even doctors don't write scripts anymore, its all electronic, and far fewer errors are made because of that.

    Cursive is an art, and there is nothing wrong with but it has no practical purpose in today's world.

    Learning to read and write(printing and typing) are valuable skills but specifically learning cursive is not.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    It can also be nice to learn as an art form! But in the same way I wouldn't expect mandatory calligraphy lessons - even though that seems like the more logical thing to introduce if we're talking about developing fine skills and learning how to read or write cursive - I don't really see the point of mandatory cursive lessons.

    The option seems reasonable to have as an option. But kids are already so overworked in school, with homework and tests having increased exponentially over the last two decades, that getting to remove one thing off of their curriculum seemed like they were finally getting a break.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    I learned cursive but never practiced beyond 5th grade so it never developed...

    Instead in high school and university when I was doing a lot of handwritten notes I ended up creating my own version of cursive which is just visually schwa'ing some letters. My writing and typing has always been a mess so it doesn't matter much.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    I absolute hated learning cursive in school and I never write cursive now. My son has even more fine motor-control issues than I do and I'm glad he didn't have to deal with this as well.

    β€œThe computer will not take that over.”

    The 1980's want their opinions back.

    I actually don't disagree with the idea that some of the fundamentals that have been taught for decades were and are the right way to teach. We don't always need new ways to learn reading, writing, math, etc -- the old ways are tried and tested. But introducing something like this, which basically completely unnecessary in modern times, based on some unresearched benefits is no better.

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  • The old ways left many students behind.

    What seems more the problem is the assumption that there’s one best way for kids to learn something.

    Reading showed us that insisting that one method be used exclusively - whether phonics, sight word memorization or whole language - will not be successful for everyone.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    β€œThe research has been very clear that cursive writing is a critical life skill in helping young people to express more substantively, to think more critically, and ultimately, to express more authentically,” he said in an interview.

    What research? This sounds pretty far fetched to me.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You can google is pretty easily. Learning to write cursive develops various brain components as well as fine motor skills. I was skeptical as well but just a brief scan of the research shows significant changes in how children think just by learning to write differently.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/202010/why-cursive-handwriting-is-good-your-brain

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4274624/

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/04/30/should-schools-require-children-to-learn-cursive/the-benefits-of-cursive-go-beyond-writing

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    β€œA return to phonics and, for example, cursive writing is another example where the government is leaning into the evidence and following the voice of many parents who wanted us to really embrace those practices that for generations have worked.”

    There isn’t a lot of research specifically on cursive writing, Peterson said, but the work that has been done shows that it not only teaches students the skill of writing that script in and of itself, but it helps to reinforce overall literacy.

    Reading between the lines here, I get the impression that this change is red meat for a boomer base who thinks things were perfect when they were kids and don't see why kids in the modern era ought to be doing things any differently. I'm 39. I did learn cursive in school and about the only time I've ever used it since is my signature. Yet I could blow any boomer out of the water with regards to hand eye coordination. You know why? Video games and touch typing.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I'm older than that, but yes, I agree. I rarely use cursive. OCR works better with printing, I type most of the time, and even my crappy printing is better than my cursive. I was a little surprised my kids weren't taught cursive, but think the only real loss is the exercises. I think it would be good to be familiar enough to read cursive, but that isn't worth even a semester.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's sad how the whole world is going through a conservative nationalist phase, this isn't just a Canada thing but I've seen it in my own country and many other European countries and American states.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Even if there are any benefits for cursive it's outweighed by lazy/illegible cursive.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I feel personally attacked.

    My handwriting was normal printing, but as soon as I learned cursive it turned into this mishmash of cursive and not-so-cursive. It's legible, for the most part... depending on how I'm feeling or if I'm tired.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    but as soon as I learned cursive it turned into this mishmash of cursive and not-so-cursive. It's legible, for the most part...

    I am talking about doctor-note(/chicken scratch) stuff that may take considerably more latency/effort to decipher (or worse, may cause a misunderstanding), also loopy signatures that have 1 big letter with a scribble behind it (at which point you may be better off drawing a doodle like the cat face guy and maybe add some of your name or even initials).

    Also I get the not-so-cursive thing, particularly when some letters have odd rules or just look too similar especially if it is not controlled enough (and I think that depends on what letters are connected/how you connect them too). As in the easier/faster idea doesn't really work out most of the time. (and let's face it, the lifting-of-the-pen thing is probably silly especially in the case of straight-line print letters vs more-complex-shaped cursive letters where travel shape also now matters)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    also loopy signatures that have 1 big letter with a scribble behind it

    Why you gotta call me out like that? Haha. But seriously, I had a proper signature until I got a part time office job at 17 that required me to sign a lot of things (for packages, receipts, witness acknowledgement, etc) every day - that's on top of initialing things. I worked there 5-6 days a week before doing that same job full time for a few years and
    eventually continued part-time for a few more years when I was in another career. Anyway, the point was that it was a fairly busy job and the extra few seconds my full, proper signature I had developed wasn't an option and I slowly morphed my signature into a bastard hybrid between initials and signature that has remained some 20 years later. Also, I ditched the loopy first letter.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I write in a hybrid printing-cursive style usually, but what forced me to revive my cursive was getting into fountain pens. They are designed to write cursive and perform beautifully when done properly. Unfortunately, my cursive writing is not nearly as wonderful as my lovely writing implements, but people tend to see the pens and not my butchered penmanship thankfully.

    That being said, I would never impose cursive on someone. Just as someone can learn a new calligraphy style, cursive can be learned too if the interest is there.

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  • [+] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
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    I was thinking they're just in a rush (well, most of the time), but I'd imagine they think it is a lot more legible than it is or will even think that the problem isn't their sloppiness but "they don't teach cursive these days!"

    I mean yeah it probably doesn't help that cursive is thought of as efficient and high-class, plus that it's required for document signage.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Cursive is fun to write but make it part of an elective art class.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    It seems like the studies are about how it helps with fine motor skills and other development, rather than it being a useful skill

    So it seems reasonable to introduce a few other options that have the same benefits, so that kids can choose the elective that's best for them

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago*

    I think it might have its place, but that place might be part of calligraphy in an art class.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    I used to only use cursive to sign my name. Now I often use technology for that too.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    What kind of grip is that on that pencil?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    But... why? Do Canadians spend a lot of time writing fancy letters to eachother? Have the beavers stolen your phones and tablets?

    Just a humble eastern European trying to figure out what's going on in your frigid syrup-drenched lands.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    Maybe go straight for shorthand.

    Personally learning Duployan, but more as learning Chinook Wawa.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I personally write almost exclusively in cursive. Printing always felt so much more unnatural to me given that it requires lifting your pencil far too often. All of your time is spent lifting and resetting your pencil.

    Having said that, I know my feelings on this are outside the norm. And I know for many it is seen as having a steep learning curve.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    There is nothing wrong with you enjoying cursive. It should be an optional class like any art.

    I personally enjoy wood working using only hand tools, however if someone needed to learn basic carpentry, I'd be showing them how to use power tools.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Honestly, I don't see an issue with this? It's an interesting way to think about writing and it keeps the electorate happy.

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