If your kid becomes a security professional to watch some tits he has earned it.
You just gotta love how liberal 'democracies' are now openly doing what they fear mongered about China this whole time.
Here's an idea: how about parents don't give their kids internet access the second they're ejected from the womb and actually monitor how they use electronic devices instead? Why do these lawmakers insist on making this everyone else's problem?
Surely you know they're just using that as a way to get people to accept it. They don't care about the children - except as a source of revenue.
No, I'm aware. This is essentially "think of the children", take #894561.
we know that it's always either "think of the children" or "terrorism" but a huge majority don't, so we need to say it each time on the off chance that they pay attention beyond the headline.... for once.
I've lost faith. I've come to realize there is a small minority of humans with the biological capacity to be individuals and think critically. I almost wish I were one of the "normal" people. I'd have a social life and a job.
i'de have a careers, money in the bank, and a family. lol
the truth of the matter is that they just aren't aware and only they can make themselves aware; a truly bitter pill.
This is probably why civilizations collapse after 500 to 900 years. The morons become the majority, then only the smartest and healthiest survive the fall, wonder around for a few hundred years trying to pull it together, then the cycle repeats.
there are morons for sure, but i believe that the overwhelming majority are just not informed and my own experiences with studying american propaganda thanks to things like the freedom of information act has convinced me that they were intentionally not informed to benefit the epstein oligarchy.
I don't think Epstein figures particularly prominently. He was just one of many. There's no doubt it is being done on purpose. Well educated, intelligent people can see through the lies by using the tools of critical thinking. Morons just believe what they "hear" most frequently and trust only what they're told to trust.
epstein is more of a recognizable name to me rather than a definition of the scope or longevity.
There’s no doubt it is being done on purpose. Well educated, intelligent people can see through the lies by using the tools of critical thinking. Morons just believe what they “hear” most frequently and trust only what they’re told to trust.
i'm starting to believe that there's more to it than this: the epstein revelations spurred me into other rabbit holes from other revelations from sources like the freedom of information act where the american gov't effectively publicly admitted to creating propaganda about controversial topics like north korea; yet self-selective-trusting maga morons and well educated, critical-thinking-espousing liberals alike both believe the propaganda anyways despite some of these revelations being in the public domain for decades at this point and will reject the proof when you show it to them.
this extends to even more modern propaganda regarding ukraine and it's all making me believe that it's deeper than one group being morons and the other more educated.
You are likely correct. The liberal side has it's unthinking zombies just like the right, and I was focusing on intellectual skill rather than political affiliations.
People need to internalize one of the most important rules of critical thought: hold your beliefs loosely and keep your identity separated from your beliefs.
Fail in that, and even genius level people will discount or deny objective facts that cast doubt on their beliefs.
i agree, but it still goes deeper than that. i used the liberal/maga divide because liberals seem to place a higher premium on critical thinking than maga supporters do and also as a basis to show that critical thinking alone often isn’t enough -- based on the rabbit holes I’ve followed:
i’ll keep using north korea as an example, since it’s the clearest case I can think of right now. The us gov't has already admitted to manufacturing propaganda and this fact has been public domain knowledge for decades at this point, yet much of that propaganda is still widely believed to be true nonetheless. wikipedia and american history books probably repeat this narrative more often than others, portraying north korea as a hermit kingdom with despotic rulers. If you approach this with critical thinking, you’d naturally conclude those portrayals are accurate based on the information that's readily available to you on wikipedia and history books. But if you dig deeper into the references that these sources used in wikipedia and those history books, you’ll find that nearly all -- if not all -- are either directly or indirectly funded by the U.S. government. ie usaid, national endowment for democracy, radio free asia, etc.
so even if you follow this one tenet of critical thinking -- keeping your identity separate from your beliefs -- you’ll still end up believing the propaganda, because the seemingly objective evidence already aligns with what you likely believed in the first place and is repeated from all sources that are fostered by the american gov't. it's only sources not elevated by the american gov't that either have a neutral or favorable characterization of north korea, but they're so few in number and presence that it takes additional effort to find them -- just like the freedom of information act revelations.
it was never about kids
Responsible parents? Please. Parents are more susceptible to peer pressure than their fucking children.
“Well all of Timmy’s friends are being extorted for child porn Roblox and I don’t want him to feel left out!”
There's a lot of things that lawmakers put into law to protect people from their own dumbass decisions. Places where wearing seatbelts are mandatory have less car related deaths, same with helmets on motorbikes. Both things people should have the common sense to do without laws, but they don't. Furthermore, places where pool fencing is mandatory have less child deaths due to drowning, but that doesn't stop some people from not having a pool fence where it's not mandatory. There's hundreds of "common sense" things like these, that if they weren't actual law would be completely ignored.
So actual protections for children's use of the internet being made into law isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. And if be all for them if they were reasonable and realistic, but they never are. No matter how much you want to make it so, expecting everyone to do reasonable things to protect themselves and those dependent on them without some sort of incentive is unrealistic.
Of course in saying all that, banning VPNs and all the laws people want to implement similar to it, have nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with controlling people.
Soon we have no assets because everything is subscription and no freedom because 'of the children'. Before people comment 'it's like China', at least China is honest why it is restricting the internet. And if course in Europe the politicians are exempt, just like with the chat control law. This is such a dangerous development all over the world.
I can't wait for all the useful idiots to cheer this on as the Epstein class further criminalizes internet anonymity under the guise of "protecting the children".
EU is considering banning religions to protect the children from genital mutilation our sexual abuse
Religious instutions have social power so they can abuse with impunity
They only social responsibility of the religious institutions is to maximise owner’s revenue
Shouldn't religious leaders be thankful there is no retribution for the millenia of human rights violations done in the name of religion?
I dont understand how "think of the children" even works in a world created to torture the working class for fun or power or fiat currency or whatever. Every child born is cursed with life on planet earth.
I thought about the future my kids would have and got a vasectomy for them. That's "think of the children", not taking yet more from the working class. We could be living easy lives in unprecedented abundance if we didnt have a parasitic 1% class dividing us against each other and forcing us to kill each other. Probably since the dawn of the agricultural revolution. But thats not where we are.
What has been stolen from all of us, past present and future, is incalculable. Inexcusable, but hey if thats how yall wanna live your lives go fucking nuts. But I wont subject any more souls to your torture machine you call the economy or civilization.
You cant ask your unborn kids if they want this. Having kids is all about you, not the kids you have or want to make. At the very least understand what a grave and cruel burden you are laying at their feet.
This pain of existence dies with me. I broke the cycle. Its over. Have fun yall.
Who is using the VPNs, though? That they bypass restrictions does not necessarily imply that all people using them are children. Of course, they'll disregard any possible interpretations that would be counter to their narrative.
The classic EU, two steps forward one big step backwards, approach to policies.
Which forward steps are you referring to in this context? Starting with a head start (compared to the USA's Internet laws) doesn't count as moving forward.
Let’s see how well modern commerce works without VPNs. You go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot with this one.
It doesn't sound as if they want to ban them, but to introduce age-verification for using VPNs.
Which also would be bad, but not quite so ridiculously insane as your post heading states.
It's bullshit. Children cannot buy an internet connection in the first place. Dont let the state lie to you about age-verification, it's identity verification, they want to know who is doing what, age has nothing to do with it.
It’s bullshit.
Yes, you are right, it is.
(although the "children can't buy internet" argument that turns up every time this topics are discussed, is also bullshit).
it’s identity verification
Yep, totally. End of anonymous use of the internet is the wet dream of some (primarily conservative) politicians.
But this has not been the point of my comment.
Rather that distributing fake news ("want to ban VPNs") doesn't magically become the right thing to do because the cause is a righteous one.
(The) argument that (children can’t buy internet) (...) is also bullshit
You can't just say it's bullshit and not provide a counter argument. Are you insinuating that children will use their parent's internet? Fine, but how does that change for VPNs? They can't buy a VPN subscription either, so they would have to use their parent's VPN accounts, and then the age verification has been bypassed anyway.
The idea itself is terrible, independent of age. It always starts with something like this and before you know, it gets expanded. Because a lot of people are like you: 'don't worry. It will be alright. Doesn't impact us'. The same for chat control.
Yes, I totally agree with you there.
The more important it is to keep our stuff together and not distribute false facts, as this will just let people think "oh, just another lying clickbait post on lemmy".
That was the actual point of my comment.
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