After years of distro hopping, I had one to many updates which borked some driver & realized what I'm really looking for is my laptop should be boring stable appliance. Incredibly happy with it so far.

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[–] 101 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Hooray for Debian, the dullest of dull operating systems!

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  • [+] 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (18 children)
  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    And if I want to use my OS to feel cool? If I want to run programs whose new features I mostly don't per se need but which give me an artificial sense of agency and make me feel less empty? If seeing a wall of updates whose contents I'll rarely bother to inspect gives the little autism gremlin living in my brain an erection? What then, Debian fanboys?

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    sed -i '/ trixie /!d; s/trixie/unstable/g' /etc/apt/sources.list

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    [–] 17 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    After doing the same, I also want to say how much I underestimated Gnome. It was in a weird state a decade ago but now it’s so nice.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I must say, I did go the KDE route. I haven't given gnome a shot in awhile ~ I just recall needing so many gnome extensions. Would you say that's changed?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    You only "need" extensions if you want them. GNOME by default is its own thing that's pretty different from win11 and kde - everything goes through the overview, things like desktop icons and dash to dock break the intended experience.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I hated gnome, I found KDE much more feature rich and for me at least way more user friendly.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    LMDE here. Works very well

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Oooooo I'm so close to trying it but I'm a total tech clown. I'm on the spec step to see if I can dual boot. I only looked at Ubuntu and Mint only because they are for beginners. Where does Debian fall in that list? Note: I'm planning on doing this on my brothers PC which only for gaming. Cuz fuck Bill Gates

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Debian is fairly straight forward I think, I'd think maybe a half step behind Ubuntu and mint for being easy and accessible, but mint and Ubuntu both have communities that have a reputation of being extremely friendly to new folks just figuring things out

    Just depends on what you need :) like the other reply said, mint debian edition is a great choice built by the mint folks to be very user friendly and with the mint community. Just keep in mind debian gets updates very slowly, so I'd expect mint debian edition to also get slow updates (maybe someone more familiar with it can chime in), which may or may not mater for you. But as a result it has a reputation of being absolutely rock solid (though so does mint. And regular mint is based on ubuntu. All the versions of mint ought to be extremely reliable)

    Personally if you like one of Mint's interfaces (desktop environments) I'd probably just start with regular Mint. There are a lot of good options available though :)

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Go with Mint. It will be better set up out of the box for gaming. Also, don't dual boot. It will make it more complicated and scarier. Save any important files to a backup location, and rip off the bandaid by completely ditching Windows. You won't miss it.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Yep. Debian is probably my next distro, once I for some reason need to reinstall.

    I'm definitely not a recreational distro-hopper, though, so I'll probably be sticking with what I've got until something breaks.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There are so many distros out there now. Crazy. I have the luxury of many laptops and some SFF systems. This allows me to try out a bunch of different distros and leave them on there to play with when I have the desire or need to. I’ve also loaded up several VMs to sample distros here and there. Recommend a VM environment for dabbling.

    I had one Fedora VM break and refuse to boot as it had fallen behind on updates. It had been a coupla months since I logged into it and the application had been working fine. That irritated me greatly, so I loaded up Debian for that application and moved it over. I don’t expect an OS to lock me out like that even if updates are lagging.

    I do use Mint on my prime desktop. It’s perfectly cromulent.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    break and refuse to boot as it had fallen behind on updates

    Fucking what?

    How are you supposed to update it if it won't boot? I already wasn't a Fedora fan, but that one's definitely getting crossed off the list now.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I don’t recollect the exact message, but the error was essentially saying I’d gone past the supported time for that major version. Showed up right after boot screen and won’t boot. It was a month or two beyond their date for sure, but let me boot and update? I think I tried single user/rescue boot and I couldn’t seem to get it updated, but I did manage to save off all the application data. I still have the defunct VM saved to eventually figure it out, but I’m having trouble finding the time. Lesson learned as I’ve moved to Debian for those roles, but I do keep my only other fedora system up to date attentively.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago*

    30 years and running for me. There's some features that might be fun to have but I won't trade being able to run exactly what I want and nothing more for them.

    And it's still one of the biggest and most complete collections of software humankind has seen. Free as in Freedom. With a constitution and a vision. And nothing stops you from adding a container or something if you want something from nix or arch or something.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Yes brother. Stable is not only for horses. The others can get fucked.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I landed on fedora. Stable with more frequent updates. If I run a server I usually go with Ubuntu because it has a lot of packages installed already so I don't have dependency issues with whatever I'm installing and I'm too lazy to install a bunch of packages myself.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Fed44 broke browser audio and some other stuff never worked too well. Tried CachyOS for the first time and it’s really nice. Supposedly good for gaming. Installed NVIDIA drivers during the default installation.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Do you still need to mess with PPAs or has that pretty much disappeared at this point?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don't remember ever having to mess with PPA with Debian. That was all Ubuntu crap, unless I'm mistaken, which happens a lot. I mean, you could add a PPA, but I never saw a reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Debian often is several releases behind on package versions, mostly because they test the crap out of everything and try to keep it all as compatible as possible.

    You often need to venture outside of their repos if you want the latest of something.

    The trade off is no surprises, stability is top priority.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've been using Debian for about 25 years. Sure, stable is pretty slow to update, but I don't know why anyone would use that unless it's some production server. I've never had an issue with outdated packages because testing/unstable is pretty close to any other rolling release.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Why don't people recommend it more often? I tried a bunch of distros and had various issues, the common thread was that they were all based on debian. So I gave that a go and bam, no issues.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Debian since sarge (server), welcome!

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