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Freedom (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 months ago by [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46475483

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[–] 114 points 4 months ago (1 child)

67 brands of shampoo from 3 different multinational corporations whose CEOs are all best friends

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    • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Even the first kind of freedom, for millions of Americans, is limited to whatever Walmart sells.
    Cause there are no other shops left where they live.

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    • [–] 32 points 4 months ago

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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago (24 children)

    That's America, not capitalism.

    Europe, Canada etc, the unemployed have medical coverage.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Even setting aside America's bullshit Medical industry, yanks have really weird ideas about freedom.

    As an Australian the American concept of freedom always seemed nuts, even pre-Trump. Yes American's have the freedom to carry firearms, but I much prefer the Australian freedom to live without fear of being shot.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I hate that when the world thinks of the US, they think of these 2A freaks. I get why it happens but I still hate it.

    The one thing I'll push back on is your last point. Pretty much no one is afraid of getting shot. Gun violence IS an issue but it's not affecting 99.9% of people

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Americans do not fear being shot on the daily either.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It is still capitalism, and capitalism is based off of exploitation regardless of whether you have health insurance or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    One form of capitalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    All forms of capitalism is exploitative. It is intrinsic to the system of private property ownership in that it creates a hierarchy of owners, who relegate access to necessities and the means of producing them unless one pays a fee, over workers who must labor for the owners in order to access said resources that they need to survive through being provided a wage from revenue that was generated through their labor, while the owner takes the lions share because of said private ownership.

    Someone needs to read theory.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I just wish we had full pharmacare in Canada. I know we got a partial rollout but I got laid off and lost my insurance and the actual price of some of my medicine is way crazier than I expected.

    The last time I went to pick up medication, it cost me $450 (CAD) for only for 3 prescriptions which insane. Its nearly half of my EI which already pays less than what my rent is

    Luckily I actually just got hired by another place and should have insurance again but damn, our system is still terrible

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Crazy idea, but medication should cost nothing. Nobody should have to choose between groceries and getting the medications they need.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You'd get no complaints from me. I don't understand why you can go to the doctor which is covered by the government, but any medication for the treatment the doctor literally prescribed is something only those with insurance can have

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The sole fact that mostly capitalist countries provide healthcare for the unemployed is by no means a testament that capitalism is fundamentally compatible with this idea.

    No country is purely capitalist or socialist - it's always a mix of the two. Sometimes it's a somewhat even balance, like in some European states. Other times one clearly dominates, like in the USA.

    Universal healthcare is a concept deeply rooted in socialism. It functions within mostly capitalist countries, because they've decided to implement some socialist policies. Not because it follows capitalist thought. Because it doesn't.

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    [–] 27 points 4 months ago

    You think its 63 choices but it's actually 2 when you follow the money back to the parent companies. Oh, and you're prematurely bald thanks to the stress

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    [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    The freedom to speak your mind and live the life you want. So long as it conforms to what the ruling class decree.

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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    That's just America. There are plenty of capitalist countries where that's not the case.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    The rest of the world may lag behind, but someday everyone will have the 63 shampoo flavors

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    We have the best of both worlds. 63 shampoo flavors and unemployment support.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Yes, you have concessions by the ruling class. For now...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    TBH nowadays I don't think the US Federal government would ever give a single concession as they are now. Probably would rather roll in the military than make medication a bit cheaper.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Well yea that was the goal of all those concessions , to keep the working class pacified while they consolidated power towards the owning class. Now they have consolidated that power and dismantled the foundations which bred the resistance efforts of the past and are comfortable in their assumptions they can now freely abuse the people without the need to make concessions.

    We have reached the point that they were warning would come about by accepting these concessions as if they were progress.

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    [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    No because you see you’re free to start your own telecoms company or hospital or bank with the money from your trust fund

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    [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    These are two completely different kinds of 'freedom', that the English language coincidentally calls the same thing. All the other languages that I know of clearly distinguish the two. Interesting, isn't it?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    So does English. The word everyone is confusing is liberty. We do not have freedom in America as is sold. We have liberty. Someone convinced too many they were the same thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    liberty: The state of being free from oppressive restrictions or control imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views

    That's the one they're trying to dismantle right now...

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    • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Spoiler …all 63 brands of shampoo are owned by the same shareholders and shadowy investment firm

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Let's ban all marketing, see what happens. They're the ones peddling bullshit.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Freedom to smoke cigarettes after being born in 2008 🦅 🇺🇲

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    [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    63 choices of shampoo, but only 3 choices of automobile

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    [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Positive versus negative freedom. Always mix up which is which tho

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