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Freedom (thelemmy.club)

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 114 points 3 months ago

67 brands of shampoo from 3 different multinational corporations whose CEOs are all best friends

[-] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

flips it over

palm oil

"yep..."

[-] mech@feddit.org 36 points 3 months ago

Even the first kind of freedom, for millions of Americans, is limited to whatever Walmart sells.
Cause there are no other shops left where they live.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 30 points 3 months ago

Also it's the freedom to choose between shampoo from Unilever and also shampoo from Unilever, but yellow.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 32 points 3 months ago
[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 28 points 3 months ago

That's America, not capitalism.

Europe, Canada etc, the unemployed have medical coverage.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 30 points 3 months ago

Even setting aside America's bullshit Medical industry, yanks have really weird ideas about freedom.

As an Australian the American concept of freedom always seemed nuts, even pre-Trump. Yes American's have the freedom to carry firearms, but I much prefer the Australian freedom to live without fear of being shot.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I hate that when the world thinks of the US, they think of these 2A freaks. I get why it happens but I still hate it.

The one thing I'll push back on is your last point. Pretty much no one is afraid of getting shot. Gun violence IS an issue but it's not affecting 99.9% of people

[-] Soulg@ani.social 5 points 3 months ago

Americans do not fear being shot on the daily either.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Americans do not fear being shot on the daily

Maybe if they did, something would be done about all the shootings

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[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

Oh they absolutely do. It's one of the reasons they have such an ingrained gun fetish in their culture and incessantly complain about needing the right to open carry in a Walmart to "protect themselves from a bad guy with a gun."

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[-] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago
[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago

Always has been.

[-] Semjeza@fedinsfw.app 10 points 3 months ago

Despite, not because.

Europe has it due to how strong Socialism looked post Second World War. Neoliberal Capitalism has been eroding it as best it can.

[-] Kanda@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

Just give it some more years and it'll be gone anyway

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

It is still capitalism, and capitalism is based off of exploitation regardless of whether you have health insurance or not.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago
[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago

All forms of capitalism is exploitative. It is intrinsic to the system of private property ownership in that it creates a hierarchy of owners, who relegate access to necessities and the means of producing them unless one pays a fee, over workers who must labor for the owners in order to access said resources that they need to survive through being provided a wage from revenue that was generated through their labor, while the owner takes the lions share because of said private ownership.

Someone needs to read theory.

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[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I just wish we had full pharmacare in Canada. I know we got a partial rollout but I got laid off and lost my insurance and the actual price of some of my medicine is way crazier than I expected.

The last time I went to pick up medication, it cost me $450 (CAD) for only for 3 prescriptions which insane. Its nearly half of my EI which already pays less than what my rent is

Luckily I actually just got hired by another place and should have insurance again but damn, our system is still terrible

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Crazy idea, but medication should cost nothing. Nobody should have to choose between groceries and getting the medications they need.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

You'd get no complaints from me. I don't understand why you can go to the doctor which is covered by the government, but any medication for the treatment the doctor literally prescribed is something only those with insurance can have

[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The sole fact that mostly capitalist countries provide healthcare for the unemployed is by no means a testament that capitalism is fundamentally compatible with this idea.

No country is purely capitalist or socialist - it's always a mix of the two. Sometimes it's a somewhat even balance, like in some European states. Other times one clearly dominates, like in the USA.

Universal healthcare is a concept deeply rooted in socialism. It functions within mostly capitalist countries, because they've decided to implement some socialist policies. Not because it follows capitalist thought. Because it doesn't.

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[-] tangonov@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

You think its 63 choices but it's actually 2 when you follow the money back to the parent companies. Oh, and you're prematurely bald thanks to the stress

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 months ago

The freedom to speak your mind and live the life you want. So long as it conforms to what the ruling class decree.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 8 points 3 months ago

That's just America. There are plenty of capitalist countries where that's not the case.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago

The rest of the world may lag behind, but someday everyone will have the 63 shampoo flavors

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 months ago

We have the best of both worlds. 63 shampoo flavors and unemployment support.

[-] save_the_humans@leminal.space 4 points 3 months ago

My dream is instead of three people that own all 63 shampoo flavors, the workers own them

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Get out of here you filthy socialist commy anarchist antifa wanker! That would benefit the people...think of the billionaires who would suffer!

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[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, you have concessions by the ruling class. For now...

[-] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

TBH nowadays I don't think the US Federal government would ever give a single concession as they are now. Probably would rather roll in the military than make medication a bit cheaper.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

Well yea that was the goal of all those concessions , to keep the working class pacified while they consolidated power towards the owning class. Now they have consolidated that power and dismantled the foundations which bred the resistance efforts of the past and are comfortable in their assumptions they can now freely abuse the people without the need to make concessions.

We have reached the point that they were warning would come about by accepting these concessions as if they were progress.

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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

No because you see you’re free to start your own telecoms company or hospital or bank with the money from your trust fund

[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

These are two completely different kinds of 'freedom', that the English language coincidentally calls the same thing. All the other languages that I know of clearly distinguish the two. Interesting, isn't it?

[-] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So does English. The word everyone is confusing is liberty. We do not have freedom in America as is sold. We have liberty. Someone convinced too many they were the same thing.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

liberty: The state of being free from oppressive restrictions or control imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views

That's the one they're trying to dismantle right now...

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

As the song goes "freedom is just another word for 'nothing left to lose'"

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Spoiler …all 63 brands of shampoo are owned by the same shareholders and shadowy investment firm

[-] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Let's ban all marketing, see what happens. They're the ones peddling bullshit.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Freedom to smoke cigarettes after being born in 2008 🦅 🇺🇲

[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

63 choices of shampoo, but only 3 choices of automobile

[-] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Positive versus negative freedom. Always mix up which is which tho

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