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Freedom (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 months ago by [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46475483

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[–] 28 points 4 months ago (24 children)

That's America, not capitalism.

Europe, Canada etc, the unemployed have medical coverage.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Even setting aside America's bullshit Medical industry, yanks have really weird ideas about freedom.

    As an Australian the American concept of freedom always seemed nuts, even pre-Trump. Yes American's have the freedom to carry firearms, but I much prefer the Australian freedom to live without fear of being shot.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I hate that when the world thinks of the US, they think of these 2A freaks. I get why it happens but I still hate it.

    The one thing I'll push back on is your last point. Pretty much no one is afraid of getting shot. Gun violence IS an issue but it's not affecting 99.9% of people

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Americans do not fear being shot on the daily either.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh they absolutely do. It's one of the reasons they have such an ingrained gun fetish in their culture and incessantly complain about needing the right to open carry in a Walmart to "protect themselves from a bad guy with a gun."

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    If you get stopped by the police because you're driving too fast or driving erratically, is there any chance they would draw their firearm during that interaction, even if they dont point it at you?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not to mention their ridiculous belief in their right to drive over the speed limit without consequences. Canada included.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Ah, yeah I suspect a lot of Australian's do that too.

    Perhaps not over the speed limit, but loads of drivers definitely feel as though they're entitled to zoom around right on the limit and any impediment to their passage is an outrageous insult.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It is still capitalism, and capitalism is based off of exploitation regardless of whether you have health insurance or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    One form of capitalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    All forms of capitalism is exploitative. It is intrinsic to the system of private property ownership in that it creates a hierarchy of owners, who relegate access to necessities and the means of producing them unless one pays a fee, over workers who must labor for the owners in order to access said resources that they need to survive through being provided a wage from revenue that was generated through their labor, while the owner takes the lions share because of said private ownership.

    Someone needs to read theory.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I just wish we had full pharmacare in Canada. I know we got a partial rollout but I got laid off and lost my insurance and the actual price of some of my medicine is way crazier than I expected.

    The last time I went to pick up medication, it cost me $450 (CAD) for only for 3 prescriptions which insane. Its nearly half of my EI which already pays less than what my rent is

    Luckily I actually just got hired by another place and should have insurance again but damn, our system is still terrible

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Crazy idea, but medication should cost nothing. Nobody should have to choose between groceries and getting the medications they need.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You'd get no complaints from me. I don't understand why you can go to the doctor which is covered by the government, but any medication for the treatment the doctor literally prescribed is something only those with insurance can have

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The sole fact that mostly capitalist countries provide healthcare for the unemployed is by no means a testament that capitalism is fundamentally compatible with this idea.

    No country is purely capitalist or socialist - it's always a mix of the two. Sometimes it's a somewhat even balance, like in some European states. Other times one clearly dominates, like in the USA.

    Universal healthcare is a concept deeply rooted in socialism. It functions within mostly capitalist countries, because they've decided to implement some socialist policies. Not because it follows capitalist thought. Because it doesn't.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    The sole fact that mostly capitalist countries provide healthcare for the unemployed is by no means a testament that capitalism is fundamentally compatible with this idea.

    That's a wild take. "The fact this exists perfectly fine in a capitalist system doesn't mean that it's compatible with a capitalist system!"

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