You're not productive if you don't use a lot of AI, says guy who makes all of his money selling AI hardware

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[–] 192 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

Jensen compared today’s AI tools to machinery that was invented during the industrial revolution

They really want this to be an apt comparison and it's really not

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It seems that the Nvidia CEO isn’t the only one investing in AI tokens for his employees to freely use.

They also really want to talk about tokens like they're some kind of currency

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  • [–] 73 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's worse, they want to change the global economy to corporations paying corporations...

    The total elimation of actual consumers, because none of us will be able to afford to consume enough.

    AI companies need people to pay for AI to keep buying Nvidia chips. So Nvidia is making their employees pay for the AI so AI companies keep buying Nvidia chips.

    It's not a sustainable system, it's just a money churn whose only purpose is to consolidate wealth.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I didn't read it that way. I think he's saying "bosses: if you're paying a $100k salary to a dev and not also paying $50k for tokens, your dev isn't working hard enough". Which is better, but only just.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    To refine that even further, he doesn't appear to imply that the dev isn't WORKING hard enough, only that they're not being OPTIMALLY PRODUCTIVE.

    What he's trying to do, really is float and normalize the concept of baking tokens into HR math in terms of a "golden ratio"... which happens to be 2:1.

    So, when a company goes all in on ai, and they cut thier workforce in half, they'll need to add in 50% for tokens. 50% of the original staff, at a new 150% cost, puts the company at 75% pre ai workforce cost. This is the "guidelines" they're trying to normalize.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    With my trusty LLM, I follow the steps recommending that I try reaching inside the die press to look for any jammed parts that could have caused the machine to suddenly stop working. My coworker, who my boss sent to assist me based on instructions from her LLM, asks his LLM how to help me. My coworker's LLM recommends that he check if the emergency stop button has been pulled...

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    [–] 80 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This man went from high to low REAL fast.

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    [–] 73 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    It would take a great burden from my shoulders, if AI could wash my clothes, do the dishes, cook, and vacuum my apartment. Those are the things I don't want to do. I like my job. I can do it myself. Yeah, sure, there are occasionally things that AI can do for me in my daily work, but it's mostly stupid, repetitive shit. And then I have to review it, which sucks even harder.

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    [–] 62 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Managers should send 100 emails per day to be fully productive

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Huang wants employees to pay half of their salary back to the company ? There is no escaping the company store, eh ?

    And CAD designers didn't have to pay half of their salary to use the CAD tools the company wanted them to use. How did that guy get to be in charge ?

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't read it that way. I think he's saying "bosses: if you're paying a $100k salary to a dev and not also paying $50k for tokens, your dev isn't working hard enough".

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Which is still utterly absurd, because it implies that a harder working dev would be spending more time chatting to a bot.

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    [–] 42 points 5 months ago

    CEO suggests raising employee costs by fifty percent and is immediately fired.

    Sorry, we don't live in a sane world anymore.

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    "Dear AI coding agent, write for me a 10,000 page manifesto on the downsides of assigning performance metrics to employees unrelated to their actual work product. Populate it with generated images of Nvidia's CEO getting railed by a bunch of copyright lawyers in the style of a Studio Ghibli film. Please ensure every fifth sentence rhymes with orange. Continue to generate images and short videos of Jensen Huang licking shit off the floor of a 7-11 rest stop bathroom until you have used enough tokens to meet my salary target."

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    [–] 37 points 5 months ago

    They've all realized there's no point in even bothering to hide the grift anymore. People don't care.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Sam Altman floated paying employees in chatGPT tokens, that surely their landlord will accept. The main motive would be being broke. Nvidia is not broke, but it is weird as fuck to be comparing it to salary, if it doesn't segue into the OpenAI plan. The $500k salary example would seem to generate more tokens than you could have time to skim over in review.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago

    BREAKING NEWS: Guy who sells AI hardware says his employees must use more AI.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago

    Luigi knows the solution for this.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago

    It's moments like these that make me think about the state of the world and my part in it. I may just be a random loser on the Internet, but I do know a lot more shit that some of the biggest multi-quad-spillion-dollar CEOs, apparently.

    For example, it's an old fact that tech CEOs know jack shit about measuring productivity, even when they're obsessed with it. Yeah. One more example.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago

    It’s amazing they can just make these claims without literally any evidence and no major “media” organization asks for it. They are just propaganda for these companies.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Something I don't understand - AI coding is mostly useful in common code, snippets, easy stuff. What Nvidia is doing (drivers, optimization, chip design, etc.) is something I imagine there is close to zero AI training, so what can they realistically even use it for so much?

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    so what can they realistically even use it for so much?

    Burn money on AI tokens so it looks like AI could be profitable some day so people keep investing in AI companies that can then buy Nvidia chips...

    You're thinking of it like "how can AI make a better product"

    They're looking at it as "how can we sell more chips"

    Two very different questions with very different answers.

    It's a house of cards and Nvidia can't afford to acknowledge no one wants AI or knows how to make it profitable.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I’m gonna take a guess that a big portion of it is infrastructure-as-code, the operations side and not product development itself. I work in the operations side of things and we never touch the product at all, but we deal with a lot of code due to how backend infrastructure is built and maintained now, especially if you're in the cloud.

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    [–] 26 points 5 months ago

    I'd say not before the bosses and shareholders agree to take 50% of their compensation in the form of AI tokens.

    These fucking leeches...

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Oh this will be a fun. "Please spend more of our company money, or else we will think you are not doing your job"

    it's so fucking easy to send bogus requests that use tons of processing time. This is the DUMBEST metric i've seen in a long, long time. If an employee of theirs uses 500k worth of processing time now, are they better employees? What if someone manages to spend 10 million worth of tokens? 100 million? Performance metrics should be outcome based instead of "how much money did you spend" lol

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    [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Can't wait to to see AI that designs chips driving Nvidia out of business

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    Let me translate this for you, "My bonus depends on you showing our massive investment wasn't a waste so I'm holding your jobs hostage until you make up busy work to pretend it was worthwhile."

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    This is even dumber than tracking how many lines of code each dev commits.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    The AI bubble went from a trillion dollar worth of circlejerk investments, to a self-sucking circlejerk trillion dollar ponzi scheme. Jensen Huang is right the moment an Invidia's employee stop sucking their own dick or stop jerking off their coworkers and bosses simultaneously, the whole economy collapse.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Highly paid asshole says shit and instead of ignoring it gets all the attention.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    can I tell an AI to burn exactly that on Jan 1 doing absolutely nothing, and then never touch the shit for the rest of the year?

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Jesus that's a lot of tokens.

    Even if I was trying to do everything in my power to make burn tokens for real work I'd be hard fucking pressed to burn more than a couple thousand a month and that's just being wasteful.

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    [–] 13 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Wouldn't an AI researcher naturally find generative AI disadvantageous because they are attempting to develop novel tools which could not exist in the training set in the first place?

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    I remember back when Nvidias PR team used to push this humble rags to riches story about Jensen back in the day, I guess even they would have a tough time doing that now that he's gone mask off

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The beauty is when those companies run out of human training data and start training on AI slop, just to generate even more AI slop.

    This is probably already happening though.

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just have an LLM ask another LLM questions for a couple hours a day. That should hit that target.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I thought AI would save us money? If it adds 50% onto the cost of a salary and bynall studies does not improve productivity output, then it's not great.

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