top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 211 points 5 months ago (33 children)

Nobody gives a fuck about your weaseling technicalities. The salient fact is that this change was made in order to "comply in advance" with totalitarian fuckery. It SIGNALS POLITICAL SUPPORT for it, and that's not okay!

  • source
  • hideshow 33 child comments
  • [–] 81 points 5 months ago (23 children)

    I studied at the PR in question and that's not the conclusion I arrive at. Let me try to explain how this looks to me.

    Also keep in mind, I do think we absolutely need to keep the political pressure on and push back on identity-gating policies with all our collective might. In that light the PR itself does the two things I'd absolutely require here: one, it allows the user to put whatever value they want in that field, including none at all, and two, it disallows all apps from reading that field without the user's active permission.

    Basically it's a superficially valid implementation of a bullshit requirement that still leaves all the power in the user's hands and therefore renders the requirement meaningless. Or in other words, a huge middle finger to the proponents of age-checking.

    Mind you, I feel there's also value in loud non-compliance and I'm glad some are taking that road -- keep it up, folks. But I'm leery of demands that only one single approach be taken. This needs to be fought on every front we can. And to me the PR in question reads like an effective defensive move.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 23 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    That's something I wondered about the person who implemented this too, I wonder if it was an attempt to install a bare minimum to say "There. We did it. Leave us alone." Instead of leaving it up to the government to force the issue, and he's getting absolutely raked over the coals for it.

    If that's the case, I feel terribly bad about this backfiring so hard on him. I do think we should be putting up a lot more resistance before resorting to something like this though.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • load more comments (7 replies)
  • load more comments (15 replies)
  • load more comments (9 replies)
    [–] 118 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    Couldn't reply to me pointing out that this was merged, and was stated to be explicitly to support age verification laws, so you had to lie about it as a meme instead.

    Because thats what youre doing right now, lying and spreading misinformation. You can admit it.

  • source
  • hideshow 22 child comments
  • load more comments (22 replies)
    [–] 105 points 5 months ago (23 children)
    load more comments (23 replies)
    [–] 91 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    There’s a disconnect over this in that one side looks at the present data and other takes a possible result from that into account. (dividing people into groups…for the sake of argument ok?)

    Now from strictly an IT perspective, this is indeed pretty meaningless. One line of code that stores one piece of data. Who cares right?

    From the other side you take the very hot topics of politics and privacy into account (two things that are also very front and center with most of the Lemmy crowd afaik).

    Because it can start by just one line of code but where will it end? Personally I’d rather be over cautious and assume the worst.

    I mean look at the story of cookies. Back in the 90’s they were a small benign piece of data and look how that turned out. Our entire world is influenced by it today to great extend.

    Personally I’d rather be overly cautious.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    People need to remember that slippery slope is a very specific fallacy where a hyperbolic chain of events is not backed up by supporting evidence.

    If we allow gay marriage people will want to marry their dogs!

    While none of us can possibly know where this ends, this is preemptive compliance with privacy invading measures that are practically indistinguishable from the kind of overreaching control desired by malicious parties. This is a much stronger case and even IF this is the last step, there's no reason to take it in the first place.

    It's morally correct to loudly object at every step, that's how you fight this.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (2 replies)
    [–] 58 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Hell no, we didn't fall for anything. This is a real problem with real and far-reaching consequences, associated to multiple legislative attacks against privacy etc, pushed by corporates and religious groups.

    YOU fell for the "think of the children" lie and "It's just a text field" BS. No, this is far worse than just a text field.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • load more comments (5 replies)
    [+] 48 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (43 children)
  • [–] 86 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This is not very 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 of you.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    How does one enter an older DOB without causing an underflow?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Implement it as a s64 instead of a u64. Ugh, honestly. Back when it was a 32 bit integer it made sense to make it unsigned because we'd have run out of numbers by now otherwise. But as of the advent of 64 bit unix time values there's really no reason not to implement it as a signed value smh

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah like the email address and the full name of the user.

    ... What do you mean it's blank for 99% of users?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (5 replies)
    [–] 48 points 5 months ago

    "It is too late, for I have already straw-manned your argument in a meme"

  • source
  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    source? i mean you went through the effort to post a meme about it at least include the relevant information

  • source
  • hideshow 20 child comments
  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (19 children)

    The source is the source: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/acb6624fa19ddd68f9433fb0838db119fe18c3ed

    Takes a birth date for the user in ISO 8601 calendar date format. The earliest representable year is 1900. If an empty string is passed the birth date is reset to unset.

    That's it. That's all it does.

    Whatever was discussed in the PR, the code does precisely nothing to implement any kind of verification. It's just an optional birth date field, like tons of electronics have had forever.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 19 child comments
  • load more comments (13 replies)
  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I foresee an astronomical amount of people born at unix epoch to appear if it becomes a required field lol

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • load more comments (5 replies)
    [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Well I still don't dang like it I'll tell you hwat.

  • source
  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    reads comments

    Umm, I think they can read.

  • source
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›