-A few days ago, a moderator on Digital Art banned me for supposedly posting "furry" (anthropomorphic animal) art. My works are based on yokai characters (Japanese mythology), kemonomimi (humans with animal ears and tails), and beasts (normal and mythical animals). Nothing falls into the furry category, which is exclusively for anthropomorphic animals. And it should be clarified that I have been posting in that community for months without any warning or comment about my works. I tried to contact her through comments in another community she moderates (I barely use Lemmy to post, and I'm not going to download external apps to open chats just for this, plus I don't speak English), but she decided to delete them and not speak to me.

(I won't get into a discussion about this; if you don't believe me, just look up the terms mentioned. Labeling everything as furry simply because it has an animal percentage is pure ignorance, and I'm fed up with the topic because I've explained and shown it a thousand times to some stubborn people. Please don't try to convince me to use the word "furry" as something universal, because it's NOT, and I know what I draw and what I don't.)

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[–] 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Even for a rule violation an immediate permaban for a regular poster is just egregious. PTB

EDIT: Seems like we didn't have the full picture here and the user in question has been told multiple times that the mods considers their art "furry art". I'm not going to judge whether the rule against furry art is good or not, but I withdraw my PTB judgment because the op was warned after all.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    100% agree. First offense permaban is for things like spam bots or egregious rule breaking.

    People who otherwise participate in the community should be treated with moderation.

    I'm not getting into the furry vs anthropomorphic animal debate, that's not my field.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Are we certain this is first offense? The mod logs screenshotted in a few places in this thread show removals over months.

    OP insists that's because it's showing the date the posts were made, and not the timestamp of the mod action, but that's definitively not how the modlogs work. I can bring up some screenshots of mods taking multiple actions against a doxxing post to demonstrate if needed (long story, someone accused me of doxxing them because it happened while we were arguing and I took the time to break down the timeline of events to show it made no sense to be me).

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    [–] 22 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I think Tywèle having prejudice against people she considers furries is a red flag in my book maybe she didn't start that rule but she's clearly enforcing it with prejudice. Something good to keep in mind, maybe she didn't know it but anti-furry sentiment is frequently used as a smoke screen to cover up queerphobia. I can't say that she's using it for that, but anti-furry sentiment has a bad reputation for a reason. And she already was giving me bad vibes before.

    Also I did very recently create a new Digital Art community on Pawb.social !digitalart@pawb.social despite being on pawb.social it's not exclusively a furry art community, it is a general purpose digital art community that people like you can post your art in, without having to worry about assholes like the mod who banned you.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    good reminder that anti-furry is almost exclusively used to sneak in homophobia

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Also transphobia too. A lot of anti-furry people who've attacked me as of late were also being extremely transphobic. I've also seen it used that way in other places, like on Reddit.

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    [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The rule is "furry or anthro related". Even if your art isn't strictly furry, from the one or two I see in your post history, it certainly has the same vibe as that genre so I'd call it "related". Doesn't really seem like a power trip, especially since they recommended other communities. I don't see that they acted out of prejudice or spite from your explanation.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'd been posting stuff about a demon and a woman with wolf ears and a tail for months, not furries. There was never a single comment from the moderators about it, and like I said, it's not furry.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    The mod you talked to didn't ban you according to your modlog.

    So far I was only able to recover these posts:

    spoiler

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    The powertripping is baked into the rules, which is rather common for small niche communities, and a poor fit for general, broad categories. Like... 'art'.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Very strange rules there.

    Traditional art is allowed, and the community is called "digital art."

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Tywele isn't the mod who banned you, or removed your posts.

    I’m not going to download external apps to open chats just for this

    Lemmy has direct messages built in, she likely meant this.

    Looking through the images themselves, I'd personally consider them furry except the last one that got you banned, so PTB I suppose.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (17 children)

    It seems like I need to clear something up here as I have not seen any screenshots of the modlog that show which mod took actions against your content so here is one from https://phtn.app/modlog?user=23220995 where you can see who took action in the modlog:

    Here you can clearly see that I did in fact not take action against your posts on !digitalart@lemmy.world and only against your posts in !imaginarymerfolk@lemmy.dbzer0.com. I have maybe taken one action as a mod in the Digital Art community in my time as mod so I was never really an active mod of that community.

    And as a few people already mentioned: yes I meant that you can contact people through built-in direct messages here on Lemmy. And it's really not hard to find, just click on the profile of a user and the button is right there:

    I hope this clears everything up.

    Edit: And the reason why I didn't appeal the ban or didn't take any further action is because I don't want to be a mod in that community anyway and want nothing to do with this. I took like 1 minute to figure out what happened and just summarized it to you to make it clear why you were banned by someone else and then took action on the posts in my own community. And because I was the one who responded I'm now dragged through the mud. I find it horrible how I'm accused of being queerphobic/homophobic/transphobic by people without them knowing the full story.

    Edit2: Here are screenshots from the modlog to see my activity in that community and how I've tried to remove myself as mod multiple times:

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    "I find it horrible how I'm accused of being queerphobic/homophobic/transphobic by people without them knowing the full story."

    you aren't wrong. there's quite a few individuals in this thread doing a good old fashioned witch hunt over furry art being removed.

    conflating it with homophobia/transphobia and applying labels to innocent individuals without first verifying facts. very creepy, imho.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    They're trying to force things on me, lies, wow, what a lovely place Lemmy is! I appreciate those who offer me support, even those who are ambiguous. Unfortunately, there are many people who seem allergic to research and don't understand that my art went months without being banned. The moderation dates are from when the post was published, and I know this because, unlike some, I realized the ban happened a week ago, and before that, my drawings remained untouched because they always reappeared. It doesn't even matter anymore whether I believe it or not; the outcome isn't going to change, and I'll continue with this unfair ban. But at least I defended myself. That art community is a mess, and many of the comments only reinforce the idiocy of all this; they always turn a plea for help into a circus. Grow up! It's all a race to see who's right instead of reasoning. I've been on the internet long enough to know who's an idiot and who isn't. This will be my last comment on the subject because they are truly exhausting, and I can be sure that I told the truth.

    Como decimos nosotros en estas situaciones: Cállense gringos.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I think maybe this community needs a rule against appeal to authority, to try and get people to focus on whether the actions are justified from a moral and practical standpoint instead of just "They own the community and have the right to do it, YDI" or "It's in the rules and you didn't follow it, YDI" which could be the answer to any action posted here. We're not trying to enforce the Reddit mod code of conduct on Lemmy, we're trying to improve the community by calling out mod actions that are morally or practically unjustified.

    Although that might be hard to enforce so I can understand why it wasn't done. People can be very subtle and sound reasonable, even if they're just appealing to authority blindly.

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