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[–] 241 points 6 months ago (10 children)

The speed at which firefox has been enshittified is as impressive as it is sad.

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  • [–] 74 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    ...and we'll all suffer as climate change increases. None of this shit is worth frying for.

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    [–] 148 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Relevant section:

    Smart Window uses ‘memories’, things Mozilla says “…it learns from your activity” to inform its responses.

    You can delete memories individually, and you can set any given chat session to not use/store them.

    Fine so far.

    The problem? My memory list isn’t populated with things Smart Window learned since I enabled it. Oh no.

    It has activity going back months. We’re talking searches and website interactions from long before I enabled this. features.

    Firefox just handed that history to the AI models to plough from, without telling me upfront.

    I found this the creepiest aspect of Smart Window.

    Mozilla says this was a flub; it will refine the onboarding around Smart Window to limit memory formation to post-opt-in activity only. That’s obviously the right fix.

    Because sharing a user’s prior browsing history with third-party AI models, silently, on feature activation, without any headset? Yeah, a bit icky – but that’s the price of testing features that are finished, I guess.

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm willing to give them a pass since this was a development build and while someone probably should've thought of it, it's the kind of bug that can happen. If this was the public release it would be a lot more outrageous.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago

    Finding out about this gives me some extra questions, though.

    • Was this data summarized on enabling this window, or before?
    • Did it use an existing model, or re-use one that someone may have already downloaded for a different feature?
    • Is this activity going anywhere else, like Mozilla's recent "privacy-preserving" advertising?
    • When this does release, what will the default be?
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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There’s also an option to bring your own LLM, with fields for model name, endpoint, and API token available for entry when the manual option is enabled. However, the page itself warns local models may not work correctly.

    It looks like there's an option for people to self-host too. You won't have to send your history to someone else's computer.

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  • [–] 101 points 6 months ago (28 children)

    F*** I really dont want to change away from Firefox. Pleas be good Firefox. Please! Don't F this up.

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  • [–] 118 points 6 months ago (24 children)

    Librewolf is exactly the same browser with all the security features dialed to 11 and all the AI removed.

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  • [–] 93 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    And it breaks sooo many sites.
    Waterfox, is Firefox that just works.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I tried Librewolf for a while and found it to be a bit too much for me when all I really want is Firefox without AI. The privacy options are probably great but not for me.

    Just installed waterfox. First impression is that I am super happy to be bock to the previous Firefox theme - it takes less space and looks nicer in my opinion. Seems promising. Thanks for the recommendation! :)

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    It might be easier to soften Librewolf than harden Firefox, but fair point.

    If you're a relatively normal user and you still want to use LibreWolf, I would recommend:

    • disable fingerprinting
    • not clearing history on exit

    Most of this is easy to find, especially thanks to the LibreWolf menu

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah it's all just in the GUI to enable and disable what you don't want.

    I don't get what people are complaining about with LibreWolf being "too hard". Like it's 1 minute clicking through menus and you're done. 5 minutes if you need to read and search things up real quick.

    But LibreWolf, ublock installed by default, and then set up containers. Just pure bliss.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago

    Yeah Librewolf does go really fucking hard on security/privacy to the detriment of functionality, but the are upfront with that so you shouldn't be going in completely blind. I think Water Fox is a nice happy medium for users that don't want to fuck around with technical stuff.

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    [–] 64 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Or just keep using Firefox and don't use the entirely optional and opt-in features you don't need. The same as always.

    I'm completely flabbergasted why people get their panties in a twist over

    • completely local features that happen to be backed by machine learning models (the translation feature is a huge privacy win over sending your text to Google translate)
    • opt-in LLM integration that nobody forces you to use
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    [+] 47 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)
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    [–] 47 points 6 months ago (38 children)

    So sad for Firefox. I try to keep using since it’s the only solution free of Chromium, but I guess chromium will control everything only Safari will not be chromium.

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    [–] 42 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Seeing AI invade open source is sad. AI slop contributions. AI integration that no one asked for.

    For now Firefox derivatives are fine (I use LibreWolf), but many of those derivatives don't work on macOS because it "fails to verify that this executable is actually executable" (what does that actually mean?????????).

    I had hopes for Ladybird Browser but now it's being vibe coded (rewritten in rust by ai for no reason whatsoever), and it's not ready yet anyway. Now I'm hopeful for Servo engine. It's in development but at some point it will be ready, and it bans slop contributions.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    For now Firefox derivatives are fine (I use LibreWolf), but many of those derivatives don't work on macOS because it "fails to verify that this executable is actually executable" (what does that actually mean?????????)

    Not sure if this is what you're experiencing, but it's a common thing. Happens to me too, I have to run a command after I update from Homebrew.

    LibreWolf FAQ: why is LibreWolf marked as broken?

    It is possible that Apple Silicon users see their recently downloaded LibreWolf flagged as broken or unsafe by the OS.

    This happens because we do not notarize the macOS version of the browser: we don't have a paid Apple Developer license and we don't want to support this signing mechanism that is put behind a paywall without providing significant gains.

    You can remove the quarantine attribute from the Application using this command:

    xattr -dr com.apple.quarantine /Applications/LibreWolf.app
    
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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Much like Adobe‘s Acrobat which I also have to use for work. At least from what I can tell when it suddenly summarizes a PDF. There‘s no way in hell that happens locally. But the fact that it seemingly automatically processes potentially sensitive data from customers didn‘t even do as little as raising eyebrows when I brought it up.

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    [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You should see how AI is being deployed in warfare. Plausible deniability is about to go through the roof.

    Back in the day, you get out jail free card was on a scale of "the devil made me do it" to "I was following orders", now we get "It was AI"

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    They can't help themselves.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    There's a master "kill switch" for all AI features in Firefox now. I suggest everyone who's concerned about this kind of thing just go and turn it off, and then we need never bother each other over this again.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It's still opt out, not opt in because on first install that LLM garbage is enabled by default. The kill switch should've been for people that chose to try LLM garbage and found it lacking; needing an easy way to disable it all.

    I won't stop complaining until Firefox makes their LLM nonsense opt-in, letting a user choose at first boot if they want that shit or not. That would be the most ethical and user respecting way to handle their LLM shit.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    "When it comes to privacy, defaults matter."

    - Mozilla

    Why not remove the AI and offer them as a separate extension? That way you're happy, and everybody else doesn't have crap shoved down their throats.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Or pick a Firefox fork that doesn't have the AI bullshit. Libre Wolf is great for people who take security very seriously,l. I hear Water Fox is a much closer equivalent to Firefox without AI, and also has a focus on privacy. I've also been using Iron Fox on my android with basically no issues.

    With Mozilla's current track record I don't trust them to not fuck with the AI "killswitch".

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    [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    One would think they'd be extra careful not to piss the users off at this point... but no.

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    [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Waterfox. Librewolf. Zen. Floorp.

    They're all good options in their own ways. Just pick one and go

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Have you seen the better browsing experience? It's on Zen. It's literally on Librewolf. It's on Floorp without ads. It's literally on Waterfox. You can probably find it on Ironfox. Dude it's on Ladybird. It's a Servo original. It's on GNOME Web. You can browse on GNOME Web. You can go to GNOME Web and browse it. Epiphany has it for you.

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