When women riders and drivers told us they wanted more control over how they ride and earn, we listened. That feedback led to Women Preferences, features designed to give women the choice to ride with other women. Since our first pilots last summer, we’ve heard just how much that choice matters—from feeling more comfortable in the back seat to more confident behind the wheel.

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[–] 358 points 6 months ago* (67 children)

Probably gonna get flak for this, but as a man, I have no issues if women want to stick with other women and I don’t particularly care if I have the option to pick whatever driver I want.

Obviously weirdness and sexual misconduct can occur to both men and women from both men and women, but it’s disingenuous as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common by a colossal margin.

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  • [–] 148 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    No flak. I was gonna post the same thing. Women deserve to feel safe too.

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  • [–] 61 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The relationship between men and women (and generally all human interactions) in America has gotten so fucking weird. I agree that people should be able to take personal steps to keep themselves safe. My point is we are so rightfully fearful of each other here because we've completely abandoned the sense of unity in America. Our social safety net, sense of humanity, belief in the good in the world, justice system, and education is so poor it's literally statistically unsafe to be alone with a stranger. It's what happens to your society when hyper individualism takes hold and you end up with a nation of people thinking they are the main character.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago

    As a burley man with lots of facial hair, when I'm out for a run, if I'm passing a woman in an isolated area or if I'm passing someone, I do everything I can to look not threatening and alert people of my presence to not startle them. It's unfortunate that it's something I feel I need to do, but I'm not out there trying to scare anyone, but when I do on accident it feels like getting kicked in the nuts.

    I'm very for women being able to make choices to protect themselves, especially when it's something like this Uber stuff where it doesn't hurt someone else. One could argue it could hurt a males revenue, but that would be a weak argument.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Probably gonna get flak for this

    Oh please.
    You know perfectly well it's not a controversial opinion.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I only added it because I wasn't sure if there was a population of man-children who feel slighted every time women get anything even remotely positive on Lemmy like there was on Reddit

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    There is. It’s substantial, but much more subtle than on Reddit. Slurs and outright sexism usually get you banned pretty quick here, so it’s largely just the casual sexism left, but it runs pretty deep. And it’s been here at least as long as I have overall (my oldest account is about 3 yo). In the original wave, the shitty population drove off the vast majority of cis female users within 6 months, which is a huge part of why the demographics around here are so heavily skewed toward men. This is also why the women’s communities, which all died out and were resurrected during the second Lemmy population boom, are so heavily policed to shut men down.

    You can tell we have such a population because all posts like these about women getting anything at all, good or bad, always, without fail, have an absolute glut of comments. If you then take the time to read all of them, a solid percentage are very clearly motivated by sexism. Now, commenters are obviously self-selecting, so it’s impossible to say in absolute terms, but of the people who choose to comment on such things, and generously leaving out any comments that may just be poorly worded, I’ve typically seen between 10 and 30% of the comments have such motivations, depending how old the post is and how much visibility it got. It’s not always the same people, either, it’s different shitty people most of the time. Downvotes also flow like wine if you challenge those comments, or call out the trend.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Yup, I’m also squarely in the “good for them, it doesn’t really affect me in the slightest and they deserve to feel safe” boat. But I also have a sneaking suspicion that the guys like us aren’t the ones who would be upset about this. The Venn diagram of “men who wouldn’t get angry about this” and “fucking creeps” is probably close to being two separate circles.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    100%. I feel better knowing that the women in my life have the ability to not ride around with some random dude. I have done Uber to make ends meet a number of times, and I'd happily accept the decrease in ridership if it means women are less scared.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    As a smaller guy with a slightly feminine appearance (that I try to lean away from but how much can I do), I also fear men I don't know (bad experiences) and wish that somehow I could choose too. But any sort of 'qualified selection' would guarantee someone malicious slips through eventually, and that's obviously not worth it. I'm not going to let jealousy and whataboutism get in the way of progress. On that note, I do worry slightly about how they're verifying gender? If it's by DL, this will affect trans folks in some states much more than others. If it's not, then verification becomes a very big question mark.

    I also can't help but notice all the language is very passive, on one hand it makes sense they wouldn't be able to guarantee anything but at the same time I find it so hard to trust passive language from any tech company, they've all abused my good faith of it into the ground. But I digress.

    No flak just thoughts, concerns notwithstanding this is good to see overall. I'm sure Lyft will have to deploy something equivalent to stay competetive.

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    [–] 166 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Maybe Uber should be responsible for background checks of their drivers and hold them accountable for their actions and be able to fire them for misconduct. But that might require hiring drivers as actual employees. And then Uber could issue company vehicles.

    Oh wait, I'm describing taxi companies that already existed before Uber.

    The fact that we allow Uber/Lyft to operate as a way to skirt regulations that were put in place to keep people safe, and then trust Uber will implement work around solutions like this is ridiculous.

    Same goes to AirBnB

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    While I agree with this, and I'm not defending skirting regulations, before rideshare apps, taking taxis was an awful experience. At least half the time, if you try to pay with a credit card, the machine was "broken", if you wanted to get a ride at a specific time you had to call ahead and hope that a taxi would show up.

    Rideshsre apps forced regular taxis to up their game and provide better service, some did and now have their own apps.

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    [–] 102 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    As a man, this makes me sad. As a man, I also understand.

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    [–] 65 points 6 months ago (30 children)

    unless you've actually literally lived as a woman you cannot know the monumental amount of sexual harassment we face and fear on a day-to-day basis. doubly so for trans women. every single moment i am alone in public i am deathly anxious that i could be harassed (sexually or otherwise) or hate-crimed or whatever. and the worst part is, there's nothing i could do about it. the perpetrator would get away scot-free. the cops do not fucking care

    however bad you think it is, it's worse. whatever you're imagining, it is exponentially more horrendous

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I have twice been in public with my fiance and some random twat in a pickup truck yells cat calls while driving by slowly in a parking lot. Wish the fuckers would stop so I can pull them through the window. God knows what she's delt with when I'm NOT standing next to her holding her hand. Sick as a society we are, that's why we have trump as pedophile in cheif. Smh.

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    [–] 52 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    I don't necessarily even disagree with this feature but I can't help but imagine the outrage if that was almost literally any other group of people.

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    [–] 46 points 6 months ago* (21 children)

    Awesome, but they should also give men the option to choose to ride with a man.

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    [–] 39 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Said it yesterday about this on a post on my instance.

    I drive for Uber occasionally, I am a guy, and got offered this option to only accept women riders. That doesn't seem right...

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago

    I get it, but it's sad that society have come to this.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Now add a "Chatty Cathy" / "Leave me the fuck alone, don't worry I'll still give you a tip as long as we don't have to talk" option.

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    [–] 31 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    I don’t get why they don’t just make this a global option. Anyone can choose their preferred gender. Some women prefer women, some prefer men. Hell, some men prefer men.

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    [–] 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (85 children)

    can males avoid women drivers or is that considered sexist? what if a male wants to mitigate the chance of being falsely accused of assault/rape? I hope people have the choice regardless of gender

    edit: the downvotes are funny... I assume people think I mean women should not have the choice, but I mean the opposite. EVERYONE should have a choice, or no one. it's call being fair. rape/sexual assault is not a good scenario for anyone and if people are fearful, they should be allowed to make a choice that allows them to feel comfortable. the downvotes just show me that people are disrespectful/not caring when it comes to fairness and equality. l.. or they are just flat out sexist pricks.

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  • [–] 51 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    It might be considered sexist, depending on who you ask.

    The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault. Hence why there has been provided a measure for women at this scale, and not for men.

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    As a domestic abuser survivor (of a woman), a lot of us men are just not taken seriously. It is a lot like how people diminish one person's pain/suffering just because it "isn't as bad" as someone else's pain. Men are absolutely abused, raped, and falsely accused. But because it happens to women more, we have to bear our suffering in silence.

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    I have never been afraid of being falsely accused of assault or rape because I have never done anything even close to anything that can be defined as assault or rape, or shown any behavior or tendencies to do so.

    I think you're missing the basic definition of what a false accusation is, here. The whole point of it is that you didn't do the thing that you're being accused of.

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    [–] 28 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    I don't think anyone worth listening about anything would find this problematic. It ain't women casually raping and killing, we all know that.

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    [–] 26 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Most of the comments here seem to be talking about the politics of the gender roles, but no one really seems to be mentioning that Uber should only be used as a very last resort. Call a Taxi, a friend, take public transit. Do not support the VC startup trash that doesn't pay their employees "contractors" living wage.

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    [–] 26 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    give men the option to ride with men as well, and nobody will have an issue with this

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Came here expecting misogyny-adjacent comments.

    ...It met my expectations :/

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    [–] 23 points 6 months ago*

    The internet is never not a shitshow when it comes to women.

    Except when it comes to a country like India or Japan. Then it's all like nodding and agreement that those men are creeps who need to be restrained.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    These fucking comments. Anytime anything is done to make women safer men get up in arms and upset. "What about me?" cries the incel.

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    [–] 19 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    This is a good thing if you ask most women

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