Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.

Also includes outtakes on the 'reasoning' models.

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[–] 168 points 6 months ago (57 children)

Very interesting that only 71% of humans got it right.

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  • [–] 152 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean, I've been saying this since LLMs were released.

    We finally built a computer that is as unreliable and irrational as humans... which shouldn't be considered a good thing.

    I'm under no illusion that LLMs are "thinking" in the same way that humans do, but god damn if they aren't almost exactly as erratic and irrational as the hairless apes whose thoughts they're trained on.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago

    Yeah, the article cites that as a control, but it's not at all surprising since "humanity by survey consensus" is accurate to how LLM weighting trained on random human outputs works.

    It's impressive up to a point, but you wouldn't exactly want your answers to complex math operations or other specialized areas to track layperson human survey responses.

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    [–] 116 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    What worries me is the consistency test, where they ask the same thing ten times and get opposite answers.

    One of the really important properties of computers is that they are massively repeatable, which makes debugging possible by re-running the code. But as soon as you include an AI API in the code, you cease being able to reason about the outcome. And there will be the temptation to say "must have been the AI" instead of doing the legwork to track down the actual bug.

    I think we're heading for a period of serious software instability.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    AI chatbots come with randomization enabled by default. Even if you completely disable it (as another reply mentions, "temperature" can be controlled), you can change a single letter and get a totally different and wrong result too. It's an unfixable "feature" of the chatbot system

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    [–] 74 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I just tried it on Braves AI

    The obvious choice, said the motherfucker 😆

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Dirtying the car on the way there?

    The car you're planning on cleaning at the car wash?

    Like, an AI not understanding the difference between walking and driving almost makes sense. This, though, seems like such a weird logical break that I feel like it shouldn't be possible.

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  • [–] 69 points 6 months ago (21 children)

    The most common pushback on the car wash test: "Humans would fail this too."

    Fair point. We didn't have data either way. So we partnered with Rapidata to find out. They ran the exact same question with the same forced choice between "drive" and "walk," no additional context, past 10,000 real people through their human feedback platform.

    71.5% said drive.

    So people do better than most AI models. Yay. But seriously, almost 3 in 10 people get this wrong‽‽

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    [–] 64 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    and what is going to happen is that some engineer will band aid the issue and all the ai crazy people will shout “see! it’s learnding!” and the ai snake oil sales man will use that as justification of all the waste and demand more from all systems

    just like what they did with the full glass of wine test. and no ai fundamentally did not improve. the issue is fundamental with its design, not an issue of the data set

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    [–] 61 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    I tried this with a local model on my phone (qwen 2.5 was the only thing that would run, and it gave me this confusing output (not really a definite answer...):
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    it just flip flopped a lot.

    E: also, looking at the response now, the numbers for the car part doesn't make any sense

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    [–] 54 points 6 months ago (50 children)

    I think it's worse when they get it right only some of the time. It's not a matter of opinion, it should not change its "mind".

    The fucking things are useless for that reason, they're all just guessing, literally.

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Gemini set to fast now provides this type of answer.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Went to test to google AI first and it says "You cant wash your car at a carwash if it is parked at home, dummy"

    Chatgpt and Deepseek says it is dumb to drive cause it is fuel inefficient.

    I am honestly surprised that google AI got it right.

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    [–] 23 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I just asked Goggle Gemini 3 "The car is 50 miles away. Should I walk or drive?"

    In its breakdown comparison between walking and driving, under walking the last reason to not walk was labeled "Recovery: 3 days of ice baths and regret."

    And under reasons to walk, "You are a character in a post-apocalyptic novel."

    Me thinks I detect notes of sarcasm......

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    [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I asked my locally hosted Qwen3 14B, it thought for 5 minutes and then gave the correct answer for the correct reason (it did also mention efficiency).

    Hilariously one of the suggested follow ups in Open Web UI was "What if I don't have a car - can I still wash it?"

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    [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I want to wash my train. The train wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

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    [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    In school we were taught to look for hidden meaning in word problems - checkov's gun basically. Why is that sentence there? Because the questions would try to trick you. So humans have to be instructed, again and again, through demonstration and practice, to evaluate all sentences and learn what to filter out and what to keep. To not only form a response, but expect tricks.

    If you pre-prompt an AI to expect such trickery and consider all sentences before removing unnecessary information, does it have any influence?

    Normally I'd ask "why are we comparing AI to the human mind when they're not the same thing at all," but I feel like we're presupposing they are similar already with this test so I am curious to the answer on this one.

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    [+] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    There's a difference between 'language' and 'intelligence' which is why so many people think that LLMs are intelligent despite not being so.

    The thing is, you can't train an LLM on math textbooks and expect it to understand math, because it isn't reading or comprehending anything. AI doesn't know that 2+2=4 because it's doing math in the background, it understands that when presented with the string 2+2=, statistically, the next character should be 4. It can construct a paragraph similar to a math textbook around that equation that can do a decent job of explaining the concept, but only through a statistical analysis of sentence structure and vocabulary choice.

    It's why LLMs are so downright awful at legal work.

    If 'AI' was actually intelligent, you should be able to feed it a few series of textbooks and all the case law since the US was founded, and it should be able to talk about legal precedent. But LLMs constantly hallucinate when trying to cite cases, because the LLM doesn't actually understand the information it's trained on. It just builds a statistical database of what legal writing looks like, and tries to mimic it. Same for code.

    People think they're 'intelligent' because they seem like they're talking to us, and we've equated 'ability to talk' with 'ability to understand'. And until now, that's been a safe thing to assume.

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