Stephen Fry was once asked what he would say if, after death, he found himself trying to justify himself to God in front of the Pearly Gates. His response:
"Bone cancer, in babies? Seriously?"
Stephen Fry was once asked what he would say if, after death, he found himself trying to justify himself to God in front of the Pearly Gates. His response:
"Bone cancer, in babies? Seriously?"
Remember the time he had to have everyone paint blood on their doors so he knew which babies to kill.
You mean the time he had to repeatedly harden the Pharaoh's heart to keep punishing him and his people?
Talk about free will
Wasn't New Testament (Jesus) the one that changed view to that God is all loving?
Yup. My fan theory is that old testament god is the new testament devil.
Fuck that is so good and totally theologically unsound.
Look into Gnosticism. That was part of thier creation myth.
Gnostics believed the old testament god is a malformed mistake, and it's evil, blind, and jealous
Gnostics were Christians from ~100 to 400 CE
Not necessarily.
For example, look at the story of Solomon's wise ruling.
It's an anecdote about how to tell between a true parent and a false parent.
In that story, the false parent is the one who only cares about being recognized as the parent and is willing to see the child suffer and die to achieve that result.
Whereas the true parent is the one who cares the most about the child living as their complete unadulterated self even if that means being entirely unknown to them at all.
The tradition of God as a divine parent in Judaism goes back well before Jesus, and the Solomon story sounds a bit absurd as an actual ruling.
But it's important to keep in mind that Solomon was a figure back in the polytheistic Israelite days which the version of the Old Testament we have today was actively rewriting the history of. So what was a poignant anecdote about the concept of the love of a true vs false parent dating from a period when Yahweh was married to the fertility mother goddess Asherah ends up just sort of randomly in there, surrounded by a bunch of claims about how Yahweh is a divine parent and if you don't acknowledge him as that he's going to smite you.
So it may have simply been changing it back to an earlier perspective. Potentially even informed by the above.
In fact, if you look extra-canonically, you can see Jesus saying:
Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."
(Solomon's story above related to the child of a prostitute.)
Front page news story today about an 8 year old boy with a brain tumour suffering from partial paralysis and seizures.
Thanks God.
I learned a long time ago that any god that does exist doesn't care about our suffering, doesn't love us, and is at best indifferent to us.
The Christian, all loving, all powerful, all knowing God is illogical.
You could have a God that is all loving and all knowing, but powerless to help us.
You could have a God that is all knowing and all powerful, but doesn't love us enough to help us.
You could have a God that is all powerful and all loving, but ignorant of our suffering.
But more likely than that, there is no God at all.
Apologetics has an answer for all of those questions. Those answers are mostly informal fallacies, but you're not going to convince someone who is already convinced there is a God and just needs some talking points.
Available options include:
Most people choose option 3.
Those really aren't the only options.
For example, it disregards the theology of a naturally occurring physical reality born out of entropy which eventually creates a god-like being which recreates the pre-god universe in order to resurrect it non-physically (a minor theology from around the first to fourth centuries CE).
A more modern version of a similar paradigm is simulation theory.
There's a pretty wide array of options out there, it's just that the most common tend to effectively fall into your groupings.
Sounds like variations on 'Not paying attention to reality and believing whatever delusion you feel like.'
None of these have any bearing on or foundation in actual physical existence. They do nothing to describe or predict. There is nothing to them. They just fulfill some desire in the believer.
Weeelllll.... God does like to kill kids after all so he's probably having a ball watching all this go down!
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
Sorry, He is too busy helping athletes win in sports to care about some tiny little conflict.
I’m functionally an atheist. I certainly have a disdain for religious orgs.
I’d accept the argument that this, in fact, a test. If so, religious people are failing it.
There is a novel, and damned if I can remember the title, where a rabi proposes that god commanding Abraham to kill his son was a test, which he (Abraham) failed.
Have no fear, I am now here!
I demanded an immediate cease fire.
Let me know if that worked? Send info via prayer since my cloud WiFi is sort of lame.
That implies that "God", whatever that means, actually cares about hairless apes on a (quite likely) unremarkable rock.
"Why the goat buggering fuck are you fighting over the desert? I put green stuff everywhere for you to live in. What do you mean you chopped it down? Why are you digging that stuff up and burning it? I buried it for a reason! Fuck this, where'd I put that flood machine?"
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