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[–] 136 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Buy your garbage veggies from Mal-Wart then and don't support your local CSA or local economy and don't complain when all you have left is a Mal-Wart job in a Mal-Wart economy town

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  • [+] 119 points 8 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    don’t complain when all you have left

    Most farmers market sellers are also selling to mainline grocery stores and restaurants. You have to be incredibly small time to exclusively sell at market stalls every week or two.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Farmers markets are the perfect place to offload produce that is:

    • Too perishable to ship very far

    • Too "ugly" to sell to a distributor or store

    • Brand new to the market and/or limited run (experiments/new hybrid products etc.)

    That last one especially is where farmers markets shine. Producers can connect directly with customers and get immediate feedback. Customers tend to be more interested/knowledgeable in the food/ag scene. They're a great opportunity for producers to do some hands-on "market research" and test new stuff. The local stores that are "with it" and actually care about such things will also send their reps there to connect directly with producers and scout out the next new hotness in produce.

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    [–] 103 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Funfact about germany:

    the gov gives money to supermarkets when they buy organic products as an incentive to stock up on less conventional products.

    not to the people producing it. to the supermarket.

    against which we then have to compete

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You make it sound like there are not also multiple subsidies programs directly for organic farmers.

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  • [–] 97 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Big box supermarkets routinely pressure producers into accepting extremely low prices so that they can sell them for cheap in their stores. It's either you accept the price or they don't sell your produce at all. Farmer's markets let producers sell their stuff at a price that allows them to live from their work

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago*

    Additionally, the quality of food that you find at a market is often much better because it was selected for the market and presented much closer to picking time, vs the gross that was shipped off for warehousing for two weeks before sent to a storefront a week before it starts to go bad

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    [–] 79 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    There are "farmer's markets" and then there are farmer's markets. Riding your cargo bike to the once-a-week market in the urban hipster neighborhood's park to pay $5 for a tomato is not the same thing as driving out to the actual state-run farmer's market and spending $5 for a bushel.

    Compare:

    https://cfmatl.org/

    https://atlanta-state-farmers-market.com/

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    I live in a major metropolitan center and the farmers market downtown happens once a week.

    The price can actually be quite good but you have to have reasonable expectations. If you see strawberries and there are snow banks outside well... Do the math. On the flip side if something's in season you can often get a good deal.

    A farmer's market is not a grocery store so it does require a bit of savvy. If you see apples and it's June those are probably last year's apples from cold storage etc.

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    [–] 71 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Every year, I buy a farm share. My farmer gets his money for the year up front; he doesn't have to borrow from the bank and he doesn't have to worry about losing the farm if it's a bad harvest. He gets to focus on growing stuff.

    In exchange, every week during the growing season, I get 3/4's of a bushel of just-picked vegetables. Some are rare heirloom varieties you generally don't see; some are items you don't see much of at all; and everything is fresh and lasts much longer than store-bought would've.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's an awesome suggestion. How does one do this? Are there a national registry?

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Agressive takeover. You come to a farm with a suitcase full of cash and threaten the farmer's kids and wife. You force him to take the money and when you leave, make sure to point a finger at him and say "I'll be back next year to buy another share. I own you now!"

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's generally called Community Supported Agriculture [CSA]; you should be able to Google "CSA near me" for results. You can also check localharvest.org , but sometimes their info is out of date or takes searching through. Like, a number of CSAs have drop-off points outside the farm that may be closer to you than the farm itself, or they may be willing to bring shares to a local farmers market that they're selling at, etc, and Local Harvest tells you where their main farm is :(

    Each CSA makes their own rules. Some places will give you a pre-filled box; others will let you pack your own box and choose between options ("Take any combination of 2: eggplant, zucchini, squash"). Some offer different size shares, others offer shares for half-seasons, or for 10-12 weeks and you choose the weeks. Some offer work-shares: you volunteer at the farm for a few hours each week, and you get a box of vegetables in return.

    Many will also let you do some pick-your-own each week: often these are either excess vegetables (extra PYO tomatoes and peppers are common); are more labor intensive (blackberries); are things that not everyone wants (okra); are specialty items grown in smaller quantities (ground cherries); or are items where personal choice really matters (flowers); etc.

    Most farms include some fruits with their vegetables; I've had three local CSAs (one couple retired, another was a bad fit for me) and I've gotten raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, cantaloupe, honeydew, pumpkins, watermelon, apples, figs, pawpaw, and Asian pears.

    They may also partner with other local farms to offer other local goods: locally grown grains, honey, eggs, meats, mushrooms, etc. They may have an end-of-season gleaning. Many will have some kind of (paid) community meal during the season, and many also provide produce to local [food banks / shelters / community kitchens / etc].

    I will say that it's a commitment, especially if you get the full season and full box share. The first month can be hard, as it's a lot of leafy green vegetables, and eating half a bushel of green leaves every week for a month is a challenge. Over time, I've developed a set of recipes that let me cook whatever's in season and preserve a bunch of stuff for the winter; and methods to deal with stuff that I get too much of too quickly.

    So in June I make lettuce soup; it's decent enough (not great), but it's a fantastic way to use up lots of leafy green stuff when I get tired of salads and stir fries and frittatas, and I can freeze it. Bunches of onions here made into French onion soup and frozen; excess hot pepper gets made into pepper flakes or my own hot sauce; tomatoes become marinara or tomato paste and frozen, or salsa and canned.

    I usually sit in front of the tv watching stuff for an hour or two while I slice and dice and chop; and then I spend a couple hours cooking. Half of whatever's cooked goes into the fridge for the week, the other half gets frozen for winter meals. Anything not used in a dish either gets put into a salad for the week, bagged up for snacks, or frozen to be used as ingredients for later meals.

    My freezer currently contains: French onion soup; eggplant Parmesan; pizza; seven-layer casserole; vegetable pot pies; lasagna; stuffed tomatoes and stuffed peppers; zucchini boats; pumpkin pie filling and sweet potato pie filling (just the filling, the pies are too bulky); zucchini bread; butternut squash bread; butternut squash soup; marinara; pesto; garlic confit; blueberry pancakes; strawberry muffins; raspberry jam; quiche; burritos; etc. My goal during the season is to do something with all the food that comes in (my starving Irish ancestors would never forgive me for wasting food!), and my goal during the winter and spring is to eat through my freezer so that it's empty when the next season starts.

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    [–] 57 points 8 months ago

    The middlemen exploiting the farmers and putting them in debt. Farmers exploiting immigrant labor to try to make ends meet.

    It's not really hard to work out if your head isn't up your butt.

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  • [–] 47 points 8 months ago (19 children)

    I'd rather pay higher prices to my local farmer that gives me quality food than a faceless corporation that gives me shitty products that travelled 10,000 kilometers and paid every single worker along that route as little as possible.

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    [–] 43 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If you're selling to the stores, you generally pack your produce and truck it to a central depot where they manage the shipping to the stores. If you're selling it at a market, you have to pack your truck, rent the booth, unpack the truck for display, sit there all day(or hire someone to sit there all day), then pack everything up and drive home. It's way more work and time to do a market.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago

    I live in an agricultural area and food from farmers markets is usually cheaper than at the store. But we have tons of farmers markets around here so maybe thats a factor.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    I swear this is propaganda. I have 3 farmers' markets within biking distance of me (that I've visited regularly, there are another 2 on inconvenient days for me), in a capital city. All are cheaper than the grocery store. Yet when I tell people I do my weekly shop at the farmer's markets, they always say something to this effect. The popular opinion simply does not match the reality. There are some stalls which are more expensive, but they are usually targeting a much higher quality, and are normally prepared products (pasta, sauces, etc.) rather than raw produce.

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    [–] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Fun fact, CalFresh (the California EBT/food stamp program) will give you $60 for free per month if you spend it on fruit and veg, and a lot of farmer’s markets participate in the program

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I wanna know how the fuck that shit works, because I buy fruits and vegetables with it; never get any of that $60 free shit (it shows up as a balance on the app so I can see when/if it came from that or the normal balance). The paperwork just says it's applied automatically at check out, yet that absolutely is not how it has been working.

    Edit: Apparently it's only at very specific locations; none of which are in or around my city. 🤬

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You know, some of them were just reselling grocery store stuff as their own.

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    [–] 26 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Really? Sounds like a terrible farmer's market, I've usually found much fresher food generally below grocery store prices, rarely higher. With the exception of chicken and eggs, but there's reasons for that

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    [–] 26 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Small markets are notorious for gouging the fuck out of the sellers. Want a booth at a farmers market or a makers market? Well you should expect to spend between $50-200 for the luxury to sell your own goods.

    Don't forget that most of these aren't audited and you'll be selling handmade goods next to someone else who is selling garbage from alibaba. Or you'll be selling homegrown produce next to someone selling boxes of produce he bought from someone else.

    Most of these markets are simply not profitable to farmers or makers. The buyers are few and they end up buying the cheaper shit after balking at the prices of anything made with care.

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    [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    About 50% of the human race is middlemen and they don't take kindly to being eliminated.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I guess I just live somewhere with real farms? There are 3 weekly farmers markets near me. All of them are something like 1/2 to 2/3 of the cost, and at least triple the quality of the grocery store.

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    [+] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    Economy of scale is a real thing.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's because there they can sell them what they actually cost to produce instead of being forced to sell at a loss by the food industry.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That's not an incentive for people to shop there. Grocery store prices are already bad enough. No one wants to pay extra money for a more limited selection.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    It is an incentive, just not price. People can choose to support a food system that provides a better living, less environmental damage, and other priorities. More people could choose that if they had more disposable income and I don't fault people for defaulting to price when making purchasing decisions.

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Post needs accessibility.


    This comment section: people who've never cracked open an economics textbook or seriously thought about this.

    Intermediaries can bring down distribution costs. It's pretty easy to see how.

    Consider N farmers & M markets: that results in NM trips to distribute all their goods to every market. Add a single intermediary: this reduces to N + M trips to distribute goods. This reduces overhead costs. The farmer can sell in bulk to the intermediary. The intermediary can ship in bulk goods of all farmers to the markets. Less fuel & time is wasted transporting everything.

    Partners can specialize in their respective tasks. Farmers don't need to rent booths, put their goods on display, wait there all day, or handle all the customers at each market.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    ... isn't the market a middle man? They charge for the booths.

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    [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    cause farmers markets are fake.

    Its nothing but assholes buying shit wholesale from the same distributors that your supermarket gets their shit from (at much higher prices due to not having the super markets favor of volume), then pretending to be some salt of the earth farmer man/woman trying to get you to buy fruit and veg they "hand grew and loved".

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    [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Nonsense my local farmers is 1/3 price of supermarket and last for 2 weeks in fridge ie is fresh.

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