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[–] 236 points 9 months ago (23 children)

To me that means Amazon can and will monitor every keystroke of every employee.

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  • [–] 77 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    Worked at Google and can confirm if you typed your password into a non org website you were flagged and asked to reset your PW. The problem is some of the training websites Google used and were Google branded were apparently non org websites. But it shows they are looking for "certain key strokes"

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    My employer does the same over a proxy. Luckily it can't breach HTTPS, but it was annoying to set all my APs and router and switches and other network nodes to HTTPS just because the damn thing would block the site the moment I sent my password in cleartext to a local device...

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    You’re sure they aren’t decrypting your traffic? Check the root cert of any site and see if it’s their own root.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Larger companies that monitor for corporate passwords being entered on third-party sites usually use a browser extension that's force-installed using Chrome Enterprise. That's especially the case if they mandate the usage of Chrome.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you say usually? It’s not what I do. I MitM every machine.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    It's what I've experienced at FAANG companies. MitM isn't used and would break certificate pinning on sites (including internal tools) that use both certificate pinning and HSTS. The Chromium source code has a list of domains that are hard-coded to only accept particular root certificates.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I don’t MitM sites that are know to break. I also don’t decrypt healthcare or banking sites. In most cases you wouldn’t know it’s happening unless you look at the cert issuer.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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    Only if the site they’re visiting isn’t using HSTS, but it’s possible

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think this is correct. HSTS only prevents downgrading.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    HSTS says it must be encrypted but a proxy will create two connections and look at it clear in the middle. On the other hand cert pinning says it must be a specific cert that breaks the site if decryption is used. Apple is big on doing that for a lot of their site and apps.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    set all my APs and router and switches and other network nodes to HTTPS

    What does that mean? HTTPS is a client-server thing, your APS and switches don't really have anything to do with that.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Yep, thats corporate monitoring software for you. Everyones got it, if you dont see it, assume its there. If the PC is not yours and or built with your own hands, assume its bugged or key logged. This goes for school PCs as well for the youngins, this is not to make people paranoid, just manage expectations on privacy. If you didnt make it, assume its recorded.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 9 months ago

    It wasn't the lag from the employee's computer to Amazon which was being monitored.

    It was the lag from the hacker to the employee. Amazon could not have monitored the hacker's computer.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    How did Amazon know the lag?

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Probably a remote kvm system with QOS monitoring. Many secure systems won’t let you connect directly to sensitive resources from your personal workstation.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

    But the infiltrator hacked the remote worker's computer.

    The actual worker may have been require to use...

    https://aws.amazon.com/workspaces/desktop-as-a-service/

    But the lag from the infiltrator to that is what was detected. There was presumably no Amazon software installed on the infiltrator's computer so how can the lag be measured?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Keyboard input over kvm is pretty awful. It’s possible the kvm software was enforcing a delay between keystrokes to make sure they are delivered in order. Seeing keys consistently pressed with 500ms separation would be odd.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is a company that's been reported to use the dwell time of you mouse over a product as a potential indicator of interest. Something like a Citrix remote desktop is extremely chatty trying to keep the origin and server in sync with every move of a mouse or keystroke. If the ACKs from the origin confirming the receipt of screen change data took an abnormally long time it could show in system performance metrics pretty easily.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    to use the dwell time of you mouse over a product as a potential indicator of interest

    That's common internet marketing practice and the main reason to use an adblocker.

    But didn't they start to eye-track their drivers? Stuff like that.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    And now you know why you should encrypt your data on any cloud provider.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I'm kind of surprised the latency was that low. Unless the NK "employee" was spoofing being in SK or something.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    The article says he was remotely controlling a company laptop located in Arizona. A woman located in AZ was facilitating the NK workers, but she was recently charged with the fraud.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    How was he hired 🤯 ? It's a skill

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There was a scam going where they would offer for someone to apply for a role and use that good candidates clean information to get it v they would do the work and split the pay with the person who's info they used.

    In exchange that person would get "job experience", the perks of WFH, and the ability to hold down more than one of these figurehead jobs simultaneously.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    These north koreans are really hard working people..

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