Wouldn't that be something to discuss, you know, before marriage?
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Vance - who converted to Catholicism in 2019 as he was laying the groundwork for a political career - replied by saying that when he met Usha, “I would consider myself an agnostic or an atheist and that’s what I think she would have considered herself as well.”
Lolol.
They thought the Pope would be in charge if a Catholic was in office.
So I'm going to make this point just for educational purposes but Hinduism is quite sophisticated and you can be atheist / agnostic while still being Hindu ie. believing in concepts like karma, samsara, moksha, and advaita.
In fact India's first prime minister who was a key figure in India's independence movement and also key in establishing India as a secular nation with parliamentary democracy was a Hindu atheist. His name was Jawaharlal Nehru.
Now I know JD Vance doesnt know this when he describes her as agnostic and the Hindu rebutting him is a reasonable defense of her religious beliefs in total. But for those with the spiritual sophistication to understand it, it should be understood that Hinduism and Atheism/Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.
Lol how does Christianity and Hindu/atheist combo fair?
I don't know about Usha, but I've known a couple of atheist-Hindu-Christians that viewed the pantheon like a list of aspirational metaphorical figures, and they just added Jesus to the pantheon.
Indeed, most xtianity sub-sects tend to hold to being exclusionary of anything else. So, while agnosticism and Hinduism might be accommodating, xtianity tends not to be. I'm pretty sure the Kirk kind of xtianity would be.
You're right that Christianity is exclusionary at the institutional level. Its a part of why the church has generally lost favor in society over time (in addition to rationalism etc.)
But individual Christians can be accommodating so in a universe where JD Vance isn't trying to turn the US into a white nationalist "utopia" it could work.
One of the core tenets of Christianity is that the only path to salvation is through Christ. That means non Christians are going to hell. That must be hard to accept (that your spouse cannot be heaven bound) but I think many Christians individually try not to think about this too much as they meet good non Christian people while living in pluralistic societies.
There are theological frameworks within Catholicism that seek to be more inclusive (implicit faith, anonymous Christians) but they are not widely accepted within Christianity (or even within Catholicism for that matter).
One of the core tenets of Christianity is that the only path to salvation is through Christ. That means non Christians are going to hell.
This isn't universally true (and is often a byproduct of most people thinking that the claims of Evangelicals are true; to be fair, it's in part because they're so loud and won't shut up).
Catholicism believes it's very well possible for non-Christians to go to Heaven (JD Vance, I'm sure, doesn't but there's a reason he's had to've been corrected by the Vatican multiple times).
Yes. I've run across many tolerant xtians (many in my own family) during my life and you are not wrong.
Now I know that some xtians would definitely say other xtians are not "real" xtians unless they believe certain things, but there are definitely xtian denominations that don't think the only way to salvation is through Jesus, so it's not just down to individuals.
Catholicism disagrees with that though! In Catholicism christ is necessary for salvation, and accepting him is the only revealed path to salvation but there is reasonable hope for the salvation of non-believers. That's why pope Francis was comfortable saying that he hopes hell is empty. The hope that through good works and changes in purgatory all people can be saved.
I’m butchering a 2 millennia story, but it illustrates how christianity fares in hinduism, and it even has some evidentiary support, so…
When the apostle Thomas was sent to India, he wound up in Cochin and began establishing a ministry or fellowship there.
He was frustrated by the lack of convincing required, or resistance to his ideas, without singular devotion.
The creator instantiating one more avatar is no stretch as Hinduism is pretty sophisticated in narratives, so Issa/Jesus just got added to the list that includes Krishna, and to this day you can buy hindu iconography with Jesus teaching compassion.
(Dude did succeed in forming a strictly Christian community though, and so arguably the oldest Christian sect is there.)
If you believe in Karma you are, per definition, not an atheist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_atheism
This is a Hindi term to describe a pick-your-beliefs Hindu. It's a proper term though, like a city name, so maybe that's why you're confused.
Did you read the article you linked?
Therefore, Samkhya maintained not only that the various cosmological, ontological and teleological arguments could not prove god, but that god as normally understood—an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent creator who is free from suffering—cannot exist.
In some ways people had got used to the idea that India was spiritual and religion-oriented. That gave a leg up to the religious interpretation of India, despite the fact that Sanskrit had a larger atheistic literature than what exists in any other classical language. Madhava Acharya, the remarkable 14th century philosopher, wrote this rather great book called Sarvadarshansamgraha, which discussed all the religious schools of thought within the Indian structure. The first chapter is Atheism – a very strong presentation of the argument in favor of atheism and materialism
Sounds pretty atheist to me.
Sometimes, I think Vance plays up the anti-immigrant rhetoric because he wants to piss off his wife so he can be cast out to sleep with on the couch.
"Convert the savage"
How about he converts to Hinduism instead?
That's okay, he's fucking Ericka Kirk now instead. Usha is about to be cast aside.
I see, and which religion sanctions the racism and couch fucking?
Vance is banging Charlie Kirk's (rest in piss) widow, she is done.

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