If we don't hold the line now, everything gets much worse.
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There is no negotiating to be had on the issue. Remove the cuts to healthcare or fuck off.
Fetterman is a disgrace.
Just three Democratic caucus members voted for the bill: John Fetterman, D-Pa.; Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev.; and Angus King, I-Maine.
Hear that Nevada and Maine? You should probably deal with your traitors.
Everybody already knew about Fetterman
Keep it shutdown and keep the core message that GOP can end this if they cared about health care for normal americans.
Keep up the pressure and rally around the message.
I was just telling my best friend that I think this shutdown is going to go on for six to eight months. Possibly to the point where the pot boils over and the government gets thrown away because it was closed for so long.
At least, one can dream that after months of bitter pain and suffering, we might possibly get people who care about others running a government. But that’s a whole hell of a serving of pain and suffering before we get there.
Fuck it, let’s general strike this place. Medicare for all with the govt reopen and all those critical services back or nothing ever happens again.
the government gets thrown away because it was closed for so long.
Is that a real possibility? How does that actually work? Is there a new election triggered automatically if the government was shut down for 6-8 months?
If not, you will most likely be waiting and hoping forever, all the while things just keep getting worse.
Governments are the product of the people. There is no divine or natural laws that triggers "an election". A government is simply created from thin air when a group of people (any group of people) get together and say: fuck the old system, we are putting that in the trash and signing a new social contract.
Of course, there's virtually never unanimity of agreement over this social contract in one geographic area, so that social contract is only as binding as the force used to put it in effect.
Realistically, 6 months+ of government shutdown in the US will likely cause a collapse of the USA as a single unified federal entity, since the federal government effectively rots. At that point, all bets are off. A fracture of the US is very possible.
In parliamentary democracies the budget is automatically a vote of confidence. If the government can't pass it, an election occurs. Nothing shuts down because the system is still operating on the existing budget that was already passed.
Is that written into laws? No. But you know who made the original government? People who decided to make their own shit.
We have more information and better access to new decisions. We can simply decide to start over collectively and start once again. We don’t have to do things because that’s the way they have always been (in our individual lifetime).
Surely, my ideology will rise from the ashes!
These are the vibes I'm getting
I feel like a dramatic dissolution should be a possibility considered, but I don't really expect us to come out of it with a new people-focused government. Likely if the budget never gets passed Trump decides he doesn't need Congress and just starts spending money as he wishes. He'll even start with funding something the people want, then once it's established that he can just spend money and no one will stop him, he'll move on to the instruments of oppression. When the military is directly being paid by the president, we'll see how much of their oath is really to the Constitution.
Good. Hold the fucking line.
I just feel bad though now that others have to stand in a food line. But I agree.
I’m gonna have to vote for Fetterman in three years, aren’t I.
That depends on whether someone in PA can assemble the resources needed to primary him.
I honestly dont expect him to run for reelection. The guy seems to absolutely hate being a senator after having a stroke. He definitely despises being in the public eye or the center of attention to some degree. He also seems to not really have much awareness of things going on around him in general anymore. He really should not be in such a stressful position in his current state of health, and I doubt he wants to be. Pride is probably the sole thing keeping him from stepping down. It definitely isnt his love for being in the role, that is for sure
Pride is probably the sole thing keeping him from stepping down.
I think that sums up so many of the Democratic Party's problems.....
He's a shitty town mayor. He got some TV time back then for his 'crazy antics'. You might be right the national spotlight is hopefully too much for him.
But you also don't need to work a real job while you're elected. That could be a bigger draw.
Oct 16 - Daily Beast
Top-ranking Democratic Party officials in Pennsylvania are gearing up to run against Sen. John Fetterman in a 2028 primary contest, according to a report.
Big names in the state who could well run against the increasingly embattled incumbent include House Representatives Brendan Boyle and Chris Deluzio, along with former Congressman Conor Lamb, Axios reports, citing multiple inside sources.
Axios added it was not clear whether Fetterman, who is understood to have ambitions of running for the White House, plans to run again for the Senate or the presidency in 2028.
Fetterman texted Axios saying, “enjoy your clickbait!” and requested “please do not contact” in response to follow-up questions. He also shared an article citing him as one of “the least Trump-aligned Democratic lawmakers in the state.”
Lmao at that last sentence..
Yeah, I got Brian Fitzpatrick as my rep, the "#1 Most Bipartisan Member of Congress" for however many years now. Still votes with Trump 51% of the time, and it's only on money things he'll break with Republicans on, very rarely ever is it a moral thing.
Meanwhile Fetterman is polling better with Republicans (around 60% favorable) compared to with the Dems (around 50% favorable).
Want to come up with a compromise on farm aid or disaster recovery? Go right ahead. Compromising on genocide and using the military on US soil? You better not reach across the aisle on that if you want my support. Fetterman deserves to be judged by the company he keeps.
Goddamnit Fetterman be an actual democrat again for 5 minutes.
Why hasn't he been kicked out yet?
Seriously. He needs to be censured and removed from the party. Make him run as an independent.
Fetterman is a Democrat just like manchin is a Democrat, so basicly not a democrat.
PA has some of poorest, worst quality of life conditions I have seen in this country. They really need to boot Fetterman. Jesus, wtf?
....what? Are you sure you've been to Pennsylvania?
Fetterman can get fucked though, I'm with you there
Yeah, generalizations aren’t great. I’ve seen beautiful parts too. I have driven through and have family from small towns out in the country
Hope they downgrade the US’s credit reputation yet again.
Fuck me Angus, et tu!?
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