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[–] 118 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Hahahah wtf is this world anymore, beds getting fucked up because an internet service broke, this is the stupidest timeline.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I get that the people who buy this stuff might not know what needing an always-online service to function entails, but what were the designers thinking?

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Designers were probably thinking "well this is stupid but it's what I'm paid to do and I didn't decide to have a fucking bed be always online". The execs that made the decision are probably thinking "why didn't the designers think of this problem and prevent it? We should fire some. "

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That assumes the execs didn't just contract out all the development and neglect to include an offline requirement.

    The designers weren't going to get paid for the extra work so they didn't do it.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    and neglect to include an offline requirement

    Oh the innocence. Execs don't neglect that, they specifically ask for that. This bed doesn't work without a subscription so offline functionality would lose them money

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    The designers were thinking "we want to force users to a monthly subscription".

    So against my preference, we bought one of these. Years ago and it wasn't so crazy expensive and the basic 'cloud' functionality was free. Over the course of the years of the initially decent warranty, the covers sprang leaks and so we got free upgrades carrying us all the way to a generation of the product where they replaced the crappy molded leak prone water mat with decent tubes that seem to be more resilient, all without needing to get in the subscription. As a consequence, I know about their evolution.

    From the onset, they were hammered with "phone over the internet control is bogus, add a remote or buttons on the base or something", and they kept responding with vague "we are working a solution". Well, they ultimately did, they added earbud-style 'tap N number of times on the side to adjust things or dismiss alarms". Ok, super awkward and still no buttons, but at least it has local controls, right? Well, I go to try it and it just gives the long-buzz error indication. Turns out the app has to be used to activate the bed or schedule a start time before the local controls will let you control it. When they explicitly added a local control loop, they blocked it from working unless the cloud service said it was ok.

    This is not "crappy developer stupidly doesn't know how to make local control work". This is "developer going out of their way to screw over a customer to force them to keep paying for every single month they want the product to keep working".

    A shame, aversion to buttons aside, the hardware design is really quite good, quiet and effective and seemingly more leak resistant.

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    [–] 71 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    I think coding a contingency for loss of internet connectivity has got to be as basic as preventing Little Bobby Tables from deleting your data.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    But then you might be able to bypass the €25/mth subscription on your €3059 mattress cover.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    This is spot on. Note these asshats eventually caved and added local controls when customers kept saying how horrible it was to use the phone. The local controls are explicitly disabled unless the cloud service has recently approved the bed to allow the local controls to work. You have to use the phone to enable the local controls. The phone can't do anything locally except tell it how to connect to wifi. If you don't have the subscription or grandfathered in before the subscription, the local controls do nothing.

    Well, unless you jailbreak your cover with FreeSleep.

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    [–] 70 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    “Eight Sleep confirmed there’s no offline mode yet, but they’re working on it.”

    There's an offline mode after all. Unplug it!

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    [–] 48 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    When AWS went down, users lost access to the app that manages its water-cooled coils, leaving them stuck with whatever setting was last active.

    That's ridiculous. The app should merely talk to the device over wifi, if available. The cloud should only be used to connect from outside the wifi network.

    Why is everything so crappy?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    But even that makes little sense as it should take commands locally and any telemetry should be done after the commands are issued. This method basically says “if we ever miss out on telemetry data, it’s just not worth it to us to give you what you already paid for. “

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    [–] 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You're asking for trouble if you bought a "smart" bed that requires an internet connection to function.

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  • [+] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago

    anyone who buys a mattress that can't work without being connected to the internet deserves this

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    A smart bed that can't function without checking in with mother ship? That's the dumbest thing ever. You can always tell the businesses that skipped testing lol.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Are they analyzing your sleep telemetry so they can send you ads for nasal strips and melatonin?!?

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Anybody buying internet connected furniture is a sucker.

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    [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    I'm sorry, but why the fuck those exist and WHO THE FUCK is buying them!?...

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I think idiots buying this crap deserve this.

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    [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Finally a bed that kills bed bugs by itself. You are welcome.

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    People wondering why this was designed to need the cloud, it requires a subscription fee. Overpriced greedy product. Its actually a good idea (bed temp control), but too greedy

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    So far I've mostly avoided the whole "things that don't need to be on the Internet" situation.

    Non smart TV (well that period when they started adding smart features but they're all out of date now so not even connected to the Internet)

    All kitchen stuff is just kitchen stuff. No Internet.

    Car is still offline.

    Only real exception is smart thermostat, and that's just because when the boiler was installed that's what they put in.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Smart thermostats are really important for managing heat pumps efficiently. Especially when they're multistage. I mean, not necessarily that they have to be always online, but they do benefit a lot from more smarts than the basic thermostats of the past.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    How does the “smarts” help? All a thermostat needs to call for multistage would be is statistical analysis for heat/cool deltas and resist, which offline thermostats have been doing for a while.

    All the “savings” my “smart” thermostat reports is because I have set-backs, which I had with my old model which also supported multistage heat pumps. The thermostat in question is mind-bogglingly stupid when it comes to handling time of use rates.

    So, overall, not very impressed. Happily, I can manage it with Homeassistant.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    You can feel the smart in these.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And this is why I only buy "smart" tech that can be used offline, and then put it on a separate vlan with extremely restricted access. Screw the cloud.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Bed goes up. AWS goes down.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    why the fuck would you get a smart bed

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    First time I'm hearing of a smart bed.... who tf is buying this crap? I still see Teslas out in the open and drives me mad to no end.

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  • [+] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
    [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    and still the product is more intelligent than the buyer

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