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[–] 134 points 3 years ago

Wow. Did not expect Tumblr to be doing better than Twitter.

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  • [–] 74 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    They should bring back the porn.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They sort of kinda did. You can post nudity now. Not porn, but nudity.

    And the dirty little secret about Tumblr is, people were still posting porn, this whole time, they just weren't caught because Tumblr wasn't actually looking for it that hard.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    They absolutely should but advertisers wouldn't like that.

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  • [–] 75 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing from the unlimited money hose that was Silicon Valley venture capital.

    Problem is, and the reason we're hearing about this now, the money is being redirected to AI, and all these negative income companies don't have enough capital to keep going.

    That's why it seems like the entire Internet is going to shit all at once. The corporate money that tried to monopolize everything we access online has been cut off.

    But the good news is that compute, bandwidth , and storage has gotten cheap enough to host powerful FOSS alternatives ourselves.

    I'm cautiously hopeful this leads to a golden era of the open Internet.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    We had the golden era, and we squandered it by chasing centralized platforms and raising up the shittiest people and corporations.

    What we will hopefully see is a resurgent era, but the internet will never be as open as it was ever again. The corporate interests run too deep, the giants have too many levers to control how people experience the internet, and they're going to abuse that.

    And I promise in like 5-8 years, were going to start seeing heavy lobbying against decentralized platforms after some instance gets caught with child porn or something. It'll be right around the same time conservatives are floating regulation of VPNs to "protect the children" or some shit.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    What I want to know about these "unprofitable" tech companies is where all the money is going? Wikipedia, which is run entirely on donations, has an operating budget of ~$150 million. Reddit, Twitter, etc... make many times this amount and even with the greater number of employees and salaries it still sounds like some creative Hollywood accounting that they're unprofitable. It feels like a big chunk of money is just going to investors/C-classes so they can just say they're not actually making any money while the big players get their payday.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That was my reaction when I heard Spez whine about reddit not being profitable.

    How much money did you waste on bullshit? If you'd just focused on running the damn platform I instead of reinventing it into the monstrosity it is now, how much better might you be doing?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What this number suggests to me is that Tumblr has revenue less than 20 million dollars. I figure:

    • about 100 employees
    • based in new York
    • average $100,000 salary
    • 10m annually in humans
    • 2-3m annually for office expenses
    • 20-30m annually for hosting

    Some of these numbers can be up or down, but when I worked at a similar company in New York, we had operating expenses in the same range. (Coincidentally, we had revenue on the same range, and got sold off in a fire sale)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    Really good point, and great reminder that I don't appreciate Wikipedia enough. They've been doing the same thing for 20+ years with no ads and only the occasional ask for money. And I think they know better than to try and make money or go public when all of their content is user-generated.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    If they had just sherlocked xKit and left the site alone — not adding the live video shit, etc — most users wouldn’t care about the ads. I swear it’s like every social network is just copying each other, remember when everyone added stories because of Snapchat, and how everyone is adding TikTok style videos now? Tumblr’s biggest mistake was doing that, it should’ve just stayed as it was. People are on tumblr because they like tumblr. If they wanted TikTok, they’d download TikTok.

    Tumblr was THE place to be for artists. Someone should make a federated alternative.

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    [–] 48 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    In big tech 30 million is a rounding error

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Putting Tumblr on ActivityPub could be interesting and potentially save it, but there's so much deleted content from when it was in its prime that I'm not sure if it's even worth it. The platform is so dead.

    That said, giving taxpayer money to private social media businesses is the worst idea ever. In the first place, public money should mean public code.

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    [–] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    When you ban porn on your massively popular site for porn & drive off a massive segment of your userbase epic style

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    That was the old owners. The new owners have stated that they want to bring porn back but it's not really feasible because payment processors are anti-porn.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Would that be genuinelly losing $30M a year or would it be only "losing" it in accounting terms because of paying more than $30M a year for "trademark use rights" to a company based in an offshore tax haven, said company being nothing more than a metal plate on a door next to the plates for 100s of such "companies" and 100% owned by the very same parent company as Tumblr?

    Because if there's one thing which is common in Tech companies is using intelectual property legislation and convoluted corporate structures to create accounting losses for the purposed of paying no taxes (and publicly claiming poverty).

    Same thing in Hollywood (hence the expression "Hollywood Accounting"), by the way, which is how they just recently claimed they "couldn't pay more because they were losing money" to the actors' union representatives during recent negotiations.

    Mind you, such accounting trickeries can be undone by Courts (which can just deem that the "for tax evasion only" daughter company is not actually a real company set up to do business, so all those "intellectual property costs" used to create accounting losses legally become just an internal transfer of money within the same company, hence not a cost, hence do not reduce declared profits and the tax on them.

    However there is no actual Political will to do so, which is why even though the laws for it are in the books, they're almost never applied.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So that might explain why the promise to federate with the fediverse (made late last year during the twitter migration) hasn't gone anywhere.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Tumblr said they would federate???

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Yep, ages ago, and we've all been wondering what happened to it. With Threads promising to federate soon, it's reminded us that we're not anti-corporation as much as we are anti-Meta, and that we were hopeful not long ago of many not-entirely-evil-companies joining the fediverse. Medium and Mozilla have set some things up, as has flipboard, and tumblr were supposed to be a big addition ... that just hasn't eventuated.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    I used to be interested in Tumblr joining the Fediverse, as someone who strongly prefers Tumblr's long-form microblogging to Twitter's format. Unfortunately, Tumblr has shown itself to be just like any money-hungry corporation at a smaller scale.

    Tumblr is trying to push Tiktok-style short video Tumblr Live, which is filled with trackers, and they have plans to change their UX to be more like Twitter because Twitter is more profitable. Tumblr has the advantage of having a very low percentage of technical users, who accept these changes and don't find workarounds because they don't know what's going on.

    With the direction Tumblr is going in, I'd defederate it if it ever starts federating. I want a Fediverse software that mirrors Tumblr's long-form microblogging, not Tumblr itself and definitely not its horrible community.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the reply.

    we're not anti-corporation as much as we are anti-Meta

    Agreed. I'd like to see Tumblr join the fediverse, though recently it seems to be focusing on Tumblr Live rather than such a big change as federating. Interesting with Medium as well.

    Maybe this says something about my awareness of the world: I didn't know Threads wasn't the first.

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  • [+] 20 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
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    But none of that affects the amount of money they lose.

    In fact the CEO of the parent company has been pretty transparent about cost cutting, and I'd bet 30m is probably the lowest yearly losses for Tumblr.

    I know people want to make this a moral victory, like the losses are the result of bad community management for Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr but that's just not true. They were dumpster fires business-wise before they shat on their community, and they were dumpster fires after.

    No one has cracked the code on how to make a profitable social media company. The two choices are either community funded (like the Fediverse), or steal all the data like Meta, and arguably the second option isn't really an option for anyone because Meta would eat your lunch all day everyday.

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    [–] 16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They put ads into their mobile app, between every 2nd post, that are literally scamming users to look at or click them, and they still come out negative?! Jeez. If ads are really bringing in so little money, maybe its time to drop the whole "free service with ads" business model and go back to subscriptions.

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    who could have ever predicted such a dramatic downfall oh no

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    [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Woah, Tumblr is still around? I'm not surprised they're losing that much money. They're just caught in the middle of the short form journal of tweets/toots/threads and the photo blogging of IG.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    It's still around, and doing quite well at least from a community perspective. It's an underdog platform and the users want to keep it that way for the most part. The problem, though, is that the staff don't know how to monetize it properly. The thing they push the most is an ad-free subscriptions service which is already doomed to fail because everyone uses adblockers.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I don't get how there's so many different companies failing to make a profit and staying afloat, isn't Uber also running at a loss?

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