The death toll means around ten percent of the kibbutz's population was wiped out

The bodies of more than 100 people were discovered by volunteers in a single, small Israeli village Monday — including those of children — believed to have been killed by Hamas militants caught on camera.

The remains were discovered in Be'eri, or Bari, a kibbutz in southern Israel close to Gaza. It's one of the villages Hamas militants invaded on Saturday as they began their attack on the country.

"Today the volunteers entered Kibbutz Bari and it is impossible to explain in words the terrible sights - some were adults, some were children. These are horrors that cannot be grasped in the mind or soul," a spokesperson for Zaka search and rescue told IDF radio.

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[–] 77 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Hamas thought this operation would change everything.

They were right, but not in the way they expected. All they've done is turn soft sympathisers like myself away from their cause. They deserve everything they get and it's not going to be pretty. The Palestinian who will be killed during crossfire are on Hamas hands this time and the rest of the world will see it that way. absolute own goal, so they could... massacre a bunch of civilians. Hamas showing military genius of the likes of Russia

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

    No, the Gaza residents don't deserve collective punishment, and that is what Hamas wants. They want Israel to overreact and clamp down. They want videos of their dead children and women across all media. This is part of the tried and true strategy of big guy vs little guy conflicts, and guess what it NEVER WORKS... for the big guy.

    How did 9/11 work out for Osama Bin Laden? Better then he could have ever even dreamed of.

    You can't kill your way out of this kind of conflict. The only ways out are A) complete genocide or B) political resolutions and bringing them to the table.

    Neither Bibi, nor Hamas, want option B, and they're both hoping that eventually option A will work out in their favor.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings, where as Hamas always aims for civilians. And they use their own people as human shields. It's gotten harder and harder to sympathize, and keep seeing their point of view.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Israel routinely bombs news buildings, wtf are you talking about?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Far be it for me to defend the IDF, but Hamas does go out of its way to create civilian death delimeas for Israel, such as using news buildings and hospitals for critical operations centers. It's a win/win, either Israel won't destroy that Hamas infrastructure, or they literally blow up journalists and hospitals.

    I'm not even saying this to cast judgement one way, or another, it's just an objective statement of fact and these tactics are incredibly effective for the type of conflict they're engaged in.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Hamas is shit but no yeah Israel kills thousands of civilians every year. They've killed 22 journalists in 20 years. They have hit news buildings with rockets, once calling for an evacuation first, for whatever fucking reason they had to hit those buildings I guess. Israel is an apartheid state. No, Hamas isn't giving a proper response.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, the Palestinians who are killed are on the hands of Israel, who killed them. The "they did it first" argument didn't work with your mom when you and your siblings were fighting as kids, what the fuck kind of mental gymnastics makes you think it works when we're talking about genocide of an entire people? You're out of your damn mind.

    And don't get gleeful watching Palestinians die, because Israel is about to invade Gaza. That's house-to-house and room-to-room fighting. Ask the Russians how that went in WW2, or the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Israelis haven't done all their dying, they're just signing up for the slaughter now.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It was always unclear who was worse because it as always a tit for tat that has been going on for so long. It is such a complex issue.

    What is not complex is this terror attack was totally one-sided and came at a time when tensions had been dropping and things seemingly improving. It is clear Hamas has gone too far, and it was just brutal to witness.

    Isreal government leadership needs to change, and Hamas needs to be eliminated. Netanyahu has been in power for far too long and its dangerous, and unlikely to resolve and issues they have.

    Once he is gone and Hamas is gone, they can perhaps come back to the bargaining table.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (28 children)

    Entire settlements have been burned to the ground, the population murdered and kidnapped. This will end now, and it will end violently, there is no other way. Hamas is the governing body of the failed autonomous region of gaza and now they will pay the price for starting a war.

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  • [–] 72 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    Palestinians are going to suffer for what Hamas has started. And doubt very much that the common Palestinian wanted this. However, Israel's bombing of civilian infrastructures in Gaza is only going to perpetuate this violence.

    Nobody wins in this conflict. But, it would be a big win for the region if Nethnyahu and his party were removed and replaced with a peace seeking parliament that could turn things around.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago*

    It could well be the end of Palestine. I hardly see Netanyahoo stopping until Hamas is completely wiped out. Israel is on a warpath now, and any civilian human shields Hamas tries to put in the way are going to be destroyed as well because Israel DGAF now.

    In the end, Israel is going to commit more atrocities than Hamas in total. And by that point there may not be a Palestine left.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm worried about how many civilian casualties there will be

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Very sad to see for the village.

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