For over a century, the automobile has represented freedom, power, and the thrill of mechanical mastery. The connection between driver, machine, and road defined what it meant to own and love a car. But in today’s digital era, a different trend is unfolding. Cars are no longer just machines designed to take us from point A to point B. Increasingly, they resemble something else entirely: smartphones on wheels.

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[–] 90 points 11 months ago (1 child)

It's nothing less than a war against property rights.

They are pushing software into cars because they see copyright, and more specifically the DMCA anti-circumvention clause, as an excuse to retain their control over your property after they sell it to you. Rentiership is 100% of their goal, and providing useful functionality is nothing but an afterthought at best.

"Subscriptions" to hardware you already own is entirely FRAUD and executives of companies that engage in it deserve long prison sentences.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Imagine a car without cellular connectivity

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You mean, like the car that I drive currently? It’s pretty tough to picture, honestly.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Archive link to an FAQ for the Slate electric trucklette that claims no sim cards and minimum digital bits. No clue if it will be a good vehicle so don't take this as an endorsement. https://archive.ph/PMKpC

    Anyone know other options?

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    [–] 35 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, and car manufacturers are becoming SaaS vendors

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Yes it’s why China was able to leapfrog and become a EV manufacturing giant. They were never able to compete in the traditional ICE vehicle market with the Europeans, Japanese and Americans. Since building an internal combustion engine that complies with the regulation, is fuel efficient and fast is really difficult for them since they lack the century of experience that the other manufacturers have. An electric engine is much less complex and since China has decades of experience building batteries, electronics and software, because they make the smartphones for almost every smartphone brand in the world, they were able to set up shop and catch up to foreign competitors very quickly in the EV market.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Since building an internal combustion engine that complies with the regulation, is fuel efficient and fast is really difficult for them since they lack the century of experience that the other manufacturers have.

    My 2c:

    You're right they are going to become the EV king, but its not because they lack experience making ICE engines. Chinese vehicles with ICE engines are being sold on the European market and have been sold there for a while now. They weren't able to out compete other manufacturers on the EU market because other brands have been well established and their lower prices were not significant enough. What I mean is: you aren't going to disrupt a well established and saturated market with the same product.

    The shift to EV presented an opportunity of equal ground on the EU market, in fact on worldwide markets. Domestic makers were not fast enough to adapt and so Tesla was able to gain a significant portion at the start. Other makers caught up soon but weren't able to offer EV cars for the same prices as they traditionally did ICE cars. Now you have an unsaturated market with highly priced products. Chinese companies can exploit that. They don't even have to disrupt any markets, they just need to enter them. Demand is there, supply is lackluster.

    Its also an opportunity for new companies to start up and start picking at the old guard of 50+ year old car manufacturers. This is where you're right. New companies don't need to develop an ICE because its complex and difficult, making an EV is easier. Its just ironic the old car companies weren't able to adapt. Was it their old ways? Bureaucracy? Oil investments? I don't know.

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    [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    The sad thing is 'smartphone on wheels' is a slur.

    Smartphones don't have to be soulless and uniform and enshittified and subscription based and completely inaccessible and straight up anti-consumer/designed to fail, but here we are.


    I really hope Slate takes off though (and they make a nimble hatchback for their next chassis). It feels like the antithesis of all this.

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    [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    Cars have been giant smartphones {tracking and data collection gold mines} for years now

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

    Some of these comments are the most elitist, contrarian bullshit I've ever heard.

    This article is about the positives and negatives of car connectivity, not how cool you are because you choose to ride a bike. You're so cool because instead of choosing to not connect your phone to your car, you bought a rusty 07 Camry?

    I'm not the biggest fan of the choices these companies are making either, but if your 1997 Mazda 929 is a personality trait, it's not much different from the ding dong who bought the Ram 3500 to showcase his peanut balls.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Personally I think it is cool to not give money to anti-consumer companies, which I assume all car companies have become by now if they all have computers. Certainly they cannot forever resist the temptation to use the power they have over users when they control the software running on our hardware.

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    [–] 19 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    aand this is why I won't buy a car made after 2010.

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    [–] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sadly yes and they’re mainly taking the worst aspects. Normal built in features like heated seats as subscriptions, dropping smartphone integration for their own far inferior dogshit UI and features, and so on.

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    [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

    I don't currently drive since I live in a city with great public transit but if i was forced to get a car it wouldn't be made after 2006. I like buttons and don't want to spend $400 replacing my rear view mirror because its linked to my touch screen for no damn reason

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    [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    the automobile has represented freedom

    That's a part I never understood.

    Cara are fucking expensive, they're literally money drains. Unless you have that much money, you ainns having a car.

    In Europe, bot having a car generally nis perfectly fine, you still can go everywhere easily as that place hasn't been turned into a cars-only paradise

    In the US, and countries that modelled themselves after it, you're not going anywhere without a car. Public transit it shit at best and in many places completely absent. Want to try a bicycle? Good luck, you gotta mix in with the murder cars.

    Cars do not represent freedom, they're the opposite

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    [+] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
    [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ads between gear changes in 3…2…1…

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    It looks like you're trying to brake. You've used up this months braking quota. Braking will be enabled again in two weeks. Please enter credit card details to upgrade your subscription to allow unlimited braking*.

    *Fair use policy, limitations apply. Braking is not available on all roads. If you're using the brake to often, an additional braking fee might be applied to your credit card for each use. Braking fee and subscriptions do not include mechanical wear, new parts or checks by a mechanic.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    They've been. Demand your privacy back

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm in a BYD, and I actually feel better connected due to the regenerative braking

    I'm normally on a motorbike, so I use my gears to control speed almost entirely

    With a manual car, I can actually drive it properly, but most of the vehicles I have to drive are automatics, which I have always disliked

    With my little car, I feel much more "part of" it. It's very responsive and I'm able to do so much without touching the brakes

    I pretty much ignore the "tech" apart from occasionally telling it to change the temperature or do something with a window

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    My radio doesn't even have a screen 😅

    The only computer in my car is the radio, and that stays off most of the time. I'm honestly thrilled to not have so much tech in the car. Its nice to be able to fix nearly anything with some pliers, a multi-meter, and an adjustable spanner.

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Software enables new revenue streams. Manufacturers can lock out features and force people to pay subscriptions. The industry wants to normalize that so they get bigger margins and a source of revenue that extends long after the initial sale. Motor vehicle as a service.

    I like controls that don't distract from driving. Computers without any internet connection aren't a problem. I don't mind all the buttons and switches being connected to a micro-controller. It saves a lot of wiring and complexity. While I don't like screens I can see how they are useful for some people. Ideally you can use a vehicle offline and with the screens off.

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They're trying to for sure. Thats why I insisted on no electric doors, windows, or locks when I bought my truck. The CD player built in got yanked for an aftermarket mp3 CD player . no digital displays indash either

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    [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    If they are, would that make old cars giant feature phones on wheels?

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    [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It has wheels so the computer doesn't touch the ground you know.

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    [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    What becoming?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Bill Burr calls it "driving an iPad"

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Combining two of the things I most hate. Makes sense.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    My car is basically an accessory that turns my phone into a car, yes.

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