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ROFL this thread is hillarious. OP sure picked the wrong instance to ask their question.

(For fuck sakes: Please do not ask questions (expecially questions that may involve politics) in TankieLiteEdition.ml, aka: lemmy.ml)

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[–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The ruling class of China is the proletariat?

Surely they have never been to China.

I mean... I surely don't mean to imply that most countries are much better in this regard, the US least of all, but come on.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    cultural genocide against the Uyghurs

    That’s not a real thing.

    dilutes Tibetan culture and wants to

    Show me the Tibetans who miss living as illiterate serfs under autocratic feudalism and I’ll show you the CIA-backed, “suck my tongue” royal family and its deputies.

    The genocide denial is coming from inside the house.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    yes, china is proletariat, very smart

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Cowbee giving a lesson on why anarchism should be the goal, and then whiplashing that into support of authoritarianism. Great job. Very praxis.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    taiwan not seeking independence

    Because they literally can't. Like, imma point a gun at your forehead and tell you to not yell or i'll shoot, would you yell?

    Cowbee is an idiot that only took guided tour as a white person and then say nothing is wrong.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I have not spoken to every 中国人

    But I am quite sure that cowbee has not spoken to any of them.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    In order to eliminate class, we must support the advancement of a class.

    Neat!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Legitimately, though I'd love it if a tankie was brave enough to come into this thread to explain why Western nations have better working conditions and more worker rights than those of China.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fr fr. My parents literally have a 1.5x bonus for working overtime, more breaks (still not a lot, but proportionally its more than the jobs they had before in China), actual work safety (well idk what this administration is gonna do, but there are still some state laws in place), and its overall less work hours they had to work compare to China, also Unions. And my father had trouble finding a job in China. Also, there's no protection against discrimination for older people, so if you look "old" they could straight up use that as an excuse to not hire you, and you have zero recourse. And sometimes in temporary layoffs, my parents can apply for unemployment compensation in the US, unemployments benefits are unheard of in China.

    There are of course places better than the US (probably those in the EU), but PRC is not one of them.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    focus on listening more than anything else

    ... because what you say might get you disappeared.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ah yes

    All states are authoritarian

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  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Using it to claim that all states are and must be equally authoritarian, as a way to deflect criticism of authoritarians in a specific country, somewhat destroys the truth value of it. It's like claiming that all substances are toxic; technically true, too much of literally any substance will kill you, but if I then tell someone that because water and cyanide both have a lethal dose, it doesn't matter which they take because both are potentially deadly, I'd be attempting to deceive and therefore lying even if I use only technically true statements to imply a false conclusion.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "China is a democratic country"

    I have seen things like this lately, like "communism is democratic", I wonder if there is some specific agenda behind it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I always link this classic whenever someone throws in the "just ask people in China".

    https://vimeo.com/44078865?fl=pl&fe=sh

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (39 children)

    I mean on the second paragraph, they're not entirely wrong. Chinese citizens do generally seem satisfied with the country and the quality of life there could be far worse. China isn't democratic on a national level, it does have local elections with approved candidates.

    It just depends how much you care about your freedom of speech, which is a common western value.

    Personally, I think the status quo on China isn't too bad.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Its much harder to find income in China, which is why my parents decide to immigrate to the US. (And before anyone says "socialized healthcare" nope, AFIAK, you don't get free healthcare, at least not when my parents and I left)

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    TCM

    Oddly enough, 凉茶 sort of works?

    Maybe a placebo idk 🤷‍♂️

    But yea my grandmother want to boil some weird herbs/animal organ... like... no thanks.

    I have no idea if those stuff they sell at the TCM shops with those weird herbs actually do anything, but it taste bad and I have yet to hear from scientists talking about it, so nah, its just very bitter (or otherwise weird tasting) "soup" for unknown effects.

    (I say "herb" but actually I have no idea what those plants things are, just search "traditional chinese medicine shop" and you'll see what I mean. There are like tons of those in New York City lol.)

    These TCM stuff is kinda fucking with my depression, because my parents are very skeptical of "western" medicine, especially antidepressants which affects the brain, so they do not want me to take medication for depression. And I'm still a dependent on their insurance, and I have to rely on them to pay for medical bills. They think its some evil spirit or something... 🤦‍♂️

    So yea idk what to do, depression sucks, especially with the ongoing US wave of xenophobic policies by the current administration.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    They still don't have free healthcare. Although from what I hear, it's substantially better. Someone I know spent a week in hospital in China, and was charged £500. Insurance paid for it all. Granted, they are paid less on average, but U.S. healthcare costs are ludicrous. I do believe China is struggling with an employment problem, though.

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