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[–] 252 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (28 children)

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries' current heads of state are kinda like "all this land is my country's, the other country should not exist." It's unclear who is right.

The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine's government is not claiming half of Russia.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I get that there is lot more nuances than russo-ukrainian, but imo there is a lot more similarities than you seem to imply : both Russia and Israel claimed that the land belonged to them before, that they should get it back, and use violence to kill local people who tried to resist or move them. The only difference is that Israel did it with the help of western countries and partially according to their laws, so they get like an aura of legitimity, but the acts remains quite close.

    I do not like when people basically do not accept violent behavior but accepts them when they are allowed by some law or authority.

    (Also yes Hamas is doing bad things and should be held accountable in some way, just like Ukraine to my eyes. But still, for me it remains obvious who kills more, who steals more, who oppresses more)

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    As a Ukrainian, let's sort out what we're accountable for once we're not getting genocided. We also have a lot of questions to our own government, but I would still prefer it to the Russian

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    [–] 144 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Idk if this is a hot take, but imo the war in Ukraine is pretty clear city while the Palestinian and Israeli conflict his an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances.

    It's far less controversial to say the former is Russia's fault than it is to say the latter is either Palestine's or Israel's fault.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah mostly because isreal/ Palestine conflict is much older then russia/Ukraine so a lot of things happened. But at it's very core they both started because of the same claim : russia claimed used to own Ukraine so they want it back. The jews used to own Palestine so they want it back. So if you support Ukraine and isreal you're just a hypocrite

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    I haven't seen anyone here "support Israel". Almost everyone agrees that the Israeli State is not free of guilt, far from it.

    What people really disagree over is whether that alone makes Palestine right (nuanced) and whether it justifies Hamas' actions (unhinged but unfortunately semi-common take on here).

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago*

    What nuance is there be had about this? Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state that deserves what should've happened to America when those settlers were doing it. That's like saying "the civil rights conflict has an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances"; in that it's objectively wrong.

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    [–] 101 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    You can't compare these 2 conflicts at all.

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    [–] 89 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I've seen so many stupid takes today, and this is one of them. The conflicts aren't similar!

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    HAMAS isn't Palestine. Israel isn't Judaism.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Dumb meme, the 2 situations are not similar.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    IMO everyone should leave everyone else the fuck alone and stop trying to be modern empires, but come on man, these are VERY different situations.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    ho boy, here we go again.

    At this point in time that conflict has been going on for so long, I have no clue anymore who started it. So all I can do is judge both sides by their current actions without historical justification which, to me, results in fanatical religious fascists fighting fanatical religious fascists with neither side caring for civilian casualties. Not exactly a situation in which I'd support any side tbh.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Warning: Some super-unique hot takes from edgelords here!

    Proceed with caution...

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Biden is 100% gonna support "Israel's right to defend itself", while they've been awfully quiet when Palestani people are getting murdered and their infrastructure decimated 🫣🤫

    Fucking fascists

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Israel has been doing this shit for decades. It's just blowback of unending oppression by Israel. People in Palestine can either wait and get genocided or fight back.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Lol yup Israel has been taking down buildings for years taking people's life, history and financial gain and turn it to rubble because someone in the building may have helped hamas. No trial, no questioning, just a small bomb going off on your roof too warn you to run the fuck away before you die in a collapsed building.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Hurr durr, now that a palestinian terrorist group is attacking is the best moment to be vocal about palestinian freedom

    And you people wonder why you get downvoted?

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ppl who have no idea how palestinian conflict started half a century ago commenting like 'completely different cases!'

    Same ppl fifty years later and war continues in Ukraine: 'ok, now I get it'

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I'm so proud of my government for acting consistently. They support Russia and Israel.

    (I get why they're doing it, but it still feels wrong.)

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