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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) This is going to piss off a lot of people but Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is absolutely apologia for WWII. "Oh we did war crimes but we felt bad about it then fixed it with the power of friendship!" permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago* (1 child) Kind of? There's definitely some of that there, though iirc the main characters we see who did war crimes want to do regime change and then be executed for their crimes. That doesn't make it not apologia, but it has more going on than that. As apologia it wasn't all that effective, because the first time I read/watched it I came away from it going 'damn, Scar fucking rules.' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Huldra@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) I dont think they intend to get executed, they wanna get into power and reform society away from the ancient conspiracy thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) And even if they did, that's just the author saying "Actually look at all these noble and honest people who were tricked in to doing things they regret, but actually they're going to make it all right and then nobly let themselves be executed because actually our society is so noble and good and the bad thing that happened was a deviation from the norm". Like basically the thesis of FMA:B is that that everything Japan did in the 20s and 30s was bad, but the officers who did all the war crimes realized that what they were doing was bad so they overthrew Hitler/Hirohito and instituted liberal reforms and therefore they have totally redeemed themselves. The role of the US in razing Japan to the ground, and the Soviet Union of kicking Germany's teeth in, is completely removed from the Narrative so Japan can redeem itself without the humiliation of losing the war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) ...did it never occur to you that Amestris was Germany circa 1910's? You're really pushing a WW2 allegory I just don't think is there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 point 4 years ago It's not a 1 to 1, but the two core elements of the story are the industrial extermination of an entire ethnicity, and the use of science to build super weapons. The techlevel is late interwar or WWII, best shown by the tank, which is clearly inspired by WWII tanks, not WWI era tanks. The main cast are all officers in the fascist military dictatorship that carried out a war using super weapons against civilians. It's not really subtle. https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Briggs_Tank permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago* (1 child) Kind of? There's definitely some of that there, though iirc the main characters we see who did war crimes want to do regime change and then be executed for their crimes. That doesn't make it not apologia, but it has more going on than that. As apologia it wasn't all that effective, because the first time I read/watched it I came away from it going 'damn, Scar fucking rules.' permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Huldra@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) I dont think they intend to get executed, they wanna get into power and reform society away from the ancient conspiracy thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) And even if they did, that's just the author saying "Actually look at all these noble and honest people who were tricked in to doing things they regret, but actually they're going to make it all right and then nobly let themselves be executed because actually our society is so noble and good and the bad thing that happened was a deviation from the norm". Like basically the thesis of FMA:B is that that everything Japan did in the 20s and 30s was bad, but the officers who did all the war crimes realized that what they were doing was bad so they overthrew Hitler/Hirohito and instituted liberal reforms and therefore they have totally redeemed themselves. The role of the US in razing Japan to the ground, and the Soviet Union of kicking Germany's teeth in, is completely removed from the Narrative so Japan can redeem itself without the humiliation of losing the war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) ...did it never occur to you that Amestris was Germany circa 1910's? You're really pushing a WW2 allegory I just don't think is there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 point 4 years ago It's not a 1 to 1, but the two core elements of the story are the industrial extermination of an entire ethnicity, and the use of science to build super weapons. The techlevel is late interwar or WWII, best shown by the tank, which is clearly inspired by WWII tanks, not WWI era tanks. The main cast are all officers in the fascist military dictatorship that carried out a war using super weapons against civilians. It's not really subtle. https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Briggs_Tank permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) I dont think they intend to get executed, they wanna get into power and reform society away from the ancient conspiracy thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) And even if they did, that's just the author saying "Actually look at all these noble and honest people who were tricked in to doing things they regret, but actually they're going to make it all right and then nobly let themselves be executed because actually our society is so noble and good and the bad thing that happened was a deviation from the norm". Like basically the thesis of FMA:B is that that everything Japan did in the 20s and 30s was bad, but the officers who did all the war crimes realized that what they were doing was bad so they overthrew Hitler/Hirohito and instituted liberal reforms and therefore they have totally redeemed themselves. The role of the US in razing Japan to the ground, and the Soviet Union of kicking Germany's teeth in, is completely removed from the Narrative so Japan can redeem itself without the humiliation of losing the war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) ...did it never occur to you that Amestris was Germany circa 1910's? You're really pushing a WW2 allegory I just don't think is there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 point 4 years ago It's not a 1 to 1, but the two core elements of the story are the industrial extermination of an entire ethnicity, and the use of science to build super weapons. The techlevel is late interwar or WWII, best shown by the tank, which is clearly inspired by WWII tanks, not WWI era tanks. The main cast are all officers in the fascist military dictatorship that carried out a war using super weapons against civilians. It's not really subtle. https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Briggs_Tank permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) And even if they did, that's just the author saying "Actually look at all these noble and honest people who were tricked in to doing things they regret, but actually they're going to make it all right and then nobly let themselves be executed because actually our society is so noble and good and the bad thing that happened was a deviation from the norm". Like basically the thesis of FMA:B is that that everything Japan did in the 20s and 30s was bad, but the officers who did all the war crimes realized that what they were doing was bad so they overthrew Hitler/Hirohito and instituted liberal reforms and therefore they have totally redeemed themselves. The role of the US in razing Japan to the ground, and the Soviet Union of kicking Germany's teeth in, is completely removed from the Narrative so Japan can redeem itself without the humiliation of losing the war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) ...did it never occur to you that Amestris was Germany circa 1910's? You're really pushing a WW2 allegory I just don't think is there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 point 4 years ago It's not a 1 to 1, but the two core elements of the story are the industrial extermination of an entire ethnicity, and the use of science to build super weapons. The techlevel is late interwar or WWII, best shown by the tank, which is clearly inspired by WWII tanks, not WWI era tanks. The main cast are all officers in the fascist military dictatorship that carried out a war using super weapons against civilians. It's not really subtle. https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Briggs_Tank permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago (1 child) ...did it never occur to you that Amestris was Germany circa 1910's? You're really pushing a WW2 allegory I just don't think is there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 point 4 years ago It's not a 1 to 1, but the two core elements of the story are the industrial extermination of an entire ethnicity, and the use of science to build super weapons. The techlevel is late interwar or WWII, best shown by the tank, which is clearly inspired by WWII tanks, not WWI era tanks. The main cast are all officers in the fascist military dictatorship that carried out a war using super weapons against civilians. It's not really subtle. https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Briggs_Tank permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 point 4 years ago It's not a 1 to 1, but the two core elements of the story are the industrial extermination of an entire ethnicity, and the use of science to build super weapons. The techlevel is late interwar or WWII, best shown by the tank, which is clearly inspired by WWII tanks, not WWI era tanks. The main cast are all officers in the fascist military dictatorship that carried out a war using super weapons against civilians. It's not really subtle. https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Briggs_Tank permalink fedilink source parent
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