The company is Access Industries and the Founder and Owner is Leonard Blavatnik

Along with what's in the title, he is accused of reputation laundering against Ukraine and has been personally sanctioned by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He was also part of a WhatsApp group involving some of the United States' most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of "changing the narrative" in favour of Israel and "helping win the war" against Gaza.

Everything is in the linked Wikipedia article about him, mostly under the "Controversies and disputes" part.

I switched to Deezer after seeing it recommended as a better Spotify alternative here on Lemmy, but after finding all this I immediately stopped using it. It's as bad as the shit Spotify does and has done IMO. I'm not here to recommend or push an alternative, but if I can give info on what I use now if someone asks.

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[–] 116 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

Since we are on this topic I would incentivise everyone to take a look at resonate.

They are, AFAIK, the only music streaming service where artists, workers and listeners are owners (aka it's a cooperative)

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Its not even a flatrate

    The pricing looks like its stacking quick if you do neither listen to the same songs over and over or entirely new ones, i dont know if I find the pricing fair for the consumer.

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    [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Uuuugh shit, I liked Deezer. :(

    Ok, so, Qobuz then?

    Edit tired of jumping ship all the time. Going to try going back to local rips and jellyfin server.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Your subscription costs as much as a CD and a half each month.

    Go buy your music and host a jellyfin instance, stop paying these fuckin scammers

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I would need to buy a lot of CDs at this point and I'm not doing that anymore.

    I don't think they are all scammers. It is convenient.

    But maybe it is time to just go back to the 80s and make mixtapes off of the radio.

    I'll consider your suggestion. I'd need a CD reader again to make lossless rips. It's been awhile.

    And it DOES give me an excuse to selfhost another thing.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    It also kind of forces you to consume music in a more focused way. Instead of cycling through hundreds of songs in a few minutes you are forced to preselect what you really want to hear. Which has both its pros and cons, but I enjoy the "slow pace" when discovering new songs.

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    None of the online music streamers are ethical. Every single one, to varying degrees, robs the artists and enriches their CEO's and shareholders.

    Do the ethical thing.

    Don't use them, and instead, use a Youtube-to-MP3 converter and steal the music.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Bandcamp is pretty good, though. Especially on Bandcamp Fridays where all the profits go to the artists. Plus, I like getting FLACs.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Problem with Bandcamp is they got bought out, first by Epic Games and then by Songtradr, and each time it's gone through enshittification. Bandcamp Fridays used to be a weekly thing but got changed to (EDIT: semi-monthly) with little announcement, and then half their staff got laid off to pad the bottom line. Even with all that they're better than the alternatives, but they're still on a decaying trajectory.

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been buying mostly mostly from Bandcamp. It's worked out well. I have a big library, and the people making music got paid.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    FYI bandcamp was acquired by Epic and subsequently sold to Songtrader 2023

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am buying music as much as I can, and build my own streaming service with Jellyfin. To this day, Bandcamp is were you can find the most music for purchase but not all artists are there. Often, I don't find any place to purchase albums from artists, then I pirate as a last resort, sorry for that. I'll go to the concerts when I get the chance, to make up for it.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago*

    Blavatnik was a member of a WhatsApp group chat that existed from November 2023 until early May 2024 involving some of the United States' most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of "chang[ing] the narrative" in favor of Israel and "help[ing] win the war" on U.S. public opinion following Hamas's October 7th attack on Israel.

    Ah, every single rich person. So predictable at this point it's like a Tinder profile. It's what most billionaires are and what most right-wing idiots want to become.

    50m (I just spent 50 million dollars for a party for rich people)

    Likes: Tyranny, Autocrats, Colonialism, Wealth Gaps, Kids (Yeah like that 😉), Abrahamic Religions, Unobstructed Hypercapitalism

    Dislikes: Unions, Social Progress, Clean Air & Water (except for me lol duh), Equality, Regulation, The EU, "Other Races"

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Fuck streaming. Pirate all the things!

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    Tidal was originally European but DayZ Jay-z bought it up so it's technically American now; Qobuz is french but it doesn't have a "brain-dead radio mode". Both have unofficial Linux clients.

    Rn I use tidal because it's on the top 3 of the ones that pay the most to artists iirc(quobuz is up there too) and it hasn't had a huge American influence that I know of, but do your own research on the alternatives to see which suits you the most, there are tons of articles about them all.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    DayZ

    Do you mean Jay-Z?

    It's now owned by Square, the same company behind squarecash

    I used it for awhile, specifically because while Spotify promised lossless for years, they never delivered. A bonus is, as you said, that it is the platform that has the highest payout for artists.

    That being said, when I stopped using it, it was mostly due to the UX decisions they had made on the platform to force videos on everything. It's a music app, and yet, one of the main navigation options in the app was for videos. Spotify also fired their original designer and has focused on "engagement" over actually good UX.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know if it's any better than the other options out there, but I like tidal.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    He also owns Warner Music, so revenue from that David Bowie or Charli XCX track you stream goes to his empire.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I switched to Deezer because I found reasons why all of the others were unethical. What would you suggest for a streaming service whose services are ethical?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I would personally suggest Qobuz, as it is demonstrably the service that pays artists the most and has multiple tiers of lossless audio options. The next best thing would be to buy from artists directly, whenever possible (maybe even physical media, if you have a good sound system for that).

    People here advocating for piracy sound cute, but I wonder how actual musicians would feel about that.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dammit, I was pretty happy with it :(

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been on Tidal for some time but noticed that Qobuz has released a connect service that seems to work like Sp*tify Connect so that you can remote control one instance from another. Like, playing music on computer connected to amp can be controlled through the phone.

    I'd appreciate if somebody using Qobuz could confirm?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I literally switched from Spotify yesterday…

    Everyone says bandcamp is a good alternative but the main added value from streaming services, for me, is discovery. I don’t think I can afford the time to go on bandcamp and download every song I like one by one. I would also be lost when in need to discover new music.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    YSK he's ukrainian and has since decades lived in the west, US/Shitrael.
    He's a jewish zionist POS.
    So he's a western oligarch, but don't let facts keep you from blaming 'the Russians'

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    YSK that he grew up in Yaroslavl, Russia to Russian-speaking Jewish parents. Calling him "Ukrainian" just because he was born in Odesa during the Soviet Union is misleading. He had/has close ties to the Russian state and became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s.

    So yes, you can blame "the Russians", but you should rather blame the system.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Hi, I’m interested to know what you’re using now!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    you guys need to understand that there are no goodguy rich folk

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Get Tidal instead

    Or better yet buy directly from the artist

    I don't understand the mental gymnastics some people do to reach the conclusion that piracy is the "ethical thing" to do. What about the artists? How is that any better for us? If you all pirate then we go from getting peanuts to getting nothing.

    In fact, piracy sort of birthed streaming in the first place. There were Limewire and Napster, then streaming platforms came along to basically legalize piracy... Hell, the Spotify CEO used to be the CEO of uTorrent

    People used to upload pirated music to YouTube. So you know what happened? YouTube came up with their song detection system that now pays artists when their track is streamed, even if it was uploaded by someone else. Even if it plays in the background of a vlog. See what I mean? Legalized piracy.

    PS: I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed

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