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[+] 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    Yeah also, adding to this, supporting the Pakistan military during the Bangladesh liberation war and threatening India with invasion if they entered east pakistan to stop the genocide. Like, lotta awful foreign policy choices during the cold war as a function of the sino-soviet split which only matter less now because there's no soviet side anymore.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Honestly, the invasion of Vietnam and support of Khmer Rouge should be included... along with America's support for the same. It then shows China's self-crit and divergence in policy from the US.

    I think the "L" needs to be taken since if nothing else it really shows the superiority of China's FP -- they haven't bungled like that since the end of the Soviet Union.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It then shows China's self-crit and divergence in policy from the US.

    Did they self-crit? I know there's an interview where deng, regarding supporting pol pot, said something like "well we didn't know what was going on there but we had to fight vietnamese (soviet) hegemony throughout southeast asia", but idk if the at the time or current chinese foreign ministry would say they did anything wrong or would do anything different regarding the broader sino-soviet proxy-wars because, to them, their most threatening enemy was the USSR (right next to them) not the US and their strategy worked. Though obviously they behave much differently nowadays

    They've diverged from US policy in part because their common enemy defeated itself before china really re-approached it in a internationalist manner (that is in taking joint action with the ussr), and now china itself is the enemy.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Conveniently starts in the 80s

    The 80's was 40 years ago; if it conveniently started like five or ten years ago you'd have a point, but 40 years is a gigantic period of time to have no wars. How long of a period do you require? 100?

    The reason we can criticize our own leadership is because we never stopped; we can't seriously claim we're not making the mistakes of the past while continuing to do them non-stop up to the present day. Even if the person who made the pic included China's Vietnam war era, the picture would still be a damning indictment for that gigantic gap of no wars.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Starting it in the 1970s would show one war at the beginning for the Chinese heads of state and then nothing. In a way that would be more of a contrast, because it wouldn't just look like a different category where "they just don't have wars there".

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    China didn't have a president during the 1979 invasion of Vietnam. The office was unoccupied between 1975 and 1982.

    I guess a better image would show how China often doesn't care about who they sell guns and equipment to. They've armed both sides of the Kashmir conflict and have sold guns to Israel for decades. Not great. But they haven't had any formal military conflicts other than occasional intelligence gathering/trading since the 1970s.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    China didn't have a president during the 1979 invasion of Vietnam

    Yeah but Deng was running the show so the L is his, he was the one who contacted Jimmy Carter to tell him he was gonna do it too, Carter advised him not to but said the US wouldn't raise a stink.

    I remember reading how he made it so the position he occupied had a bunch of powers concentrated in it so that he was for all intents and purposes the leader of the CPC.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is kind of a mess.

    • No one died in the Gulf of Sidra Encounter, and we're calling it a "war"? By that metric China's border skirmishes with India should be listed here
    • China was directly involved in Operation Ocean Shield, sending ships and coordinating with NATO, but it's only listed for the US
    • If we're including support to genocidal and belligerent states as complicity in wars, China has been sending arms to the junta in Myanmar
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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    First two points are valid. Third is not. "Junta" or not, Myanmar has a legitimate government and co-operating with them as they would with any other country's government is absolutely in line with China's policy of non-interference. Especially since China has a vested interest in maintaining stability in South East Asia, they are definitely not going to be sympathetic to western backed insurgencies. The deposed government before the junta was stacked full of NED graduates by the way. China would be absolutely stupid to actively support a return to power of western puppet compradors who would purposely block regional economic development and co-operation and turn Myanmar into another anti-China proxy instead.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It being in line with Chinese foreign policy goals doesn't change the fact that the government they're selling arms to is committing genocide. And irrespective of the moral issue, if we're listing arming Israel and Ukraine as a war for this list we should be including arming Myanmar as one too

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Then we should also note that previous to 2022 it was Israel selling Myanmar small arms. Their standard issue rifle is a licensed Galil.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    China never killed a US civilian while the same cant be said for the US due to the uh cough accidental cough bombing of Chinas embassy in Yugoslavia

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    China never killed a US civilian

    That's cause the average Chinese person thinks libs are Western folklore; the internet is changing that (Chinese red note users getting surprised everything their government told them about America was true was hilarious)

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    "Oh yeah well then explain covid (which also isn't real but it's actually not that bad if you get it it's just like the flu but we should sanction China for releasing a bioweapon on the US). I hold a consistent worldview with no contradictions because capitalism is the best system ever made. Checkmate liberal!"

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  • It's not even full list for US presidents. Obama alone waged iirc 13 wars, though some were inherited from Bush and/or passed to Trump too.

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  • Where the fuck is Operation Desert Fox under Bill Clinton?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is there a better quality of this image?

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago

    it's the best I got, but here are the wars listed out

    US Presidents and Their Wars
        RONALD REAGAN
            Gulf of Sidra Encounter
            Multinational Intervention in Lebanon
            Invasion of Grenada
            Action in the Gulf of Sidra
            Bombing of Libya
            Tanker War
            Tobruk Encounter
    
        GEORGE H. W. BUSH
            Invasion of Panama
            Gulf War
            Iraq No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
            First U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War
            Bosnian War
    
        BILL CLINTON
            Intervention in Haiti
            Kosovo War
            Operation Infinite Reach
    
        GEORGE W. BUSH
            War in Afghanistan
            2003 Invasion of Iraq
            Iraq War
            War in North-West Pakistan
            Second U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War
    
        BARACK OBAMA
            Operation Ocean Shield
            International Intervention in Libya
            Operation Observant Compass
            American-led Intervention in Iraq
            American-led Intervention in Syria
            Yemen Civil War
            American Intervention in Libya
    
        DONALD TRUMP
            More US Troops in Iraq
            US Troops Occupy Northern Syria
            Continued War in Afghanistan
            Increased Drone Killings in Africa
    
        Joe Biden
            US Troops in Northern Syria
            Armed Ukraine
            US Arms Israeli Bombing of Gaza
    
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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I'd show this to the lib I work with but honestly? If the conflict happened before the 2000's then it's an old conflict, if it happened post 2000's then there was a good reason for it (bUt ThE LeAdEr WaS a diCtAtOr).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Y'all got any more of them there pixels? My old eyes aren't what they used to be

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why even post a link to that comment? Do you think it's a good example of... well, anything? It's yet another ignorant lemoid lib pearl clutching about something they know nothing about while thinking they owned the tankies but actually just embarrassing themselves by revealing they have no idea what they're talking about. There's no insight or anything new, just making up a strawman ironically by accusing "tankies" of making a strawman. Are you directing us there to so we can point and laugh at how stupid the sinophobic liberals are? If that's the case, then fair enough.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)