Didn't Russia or the USA train dolphins during the cold war to do military missions - or at least tried to?
Not sure about dolphins as... ways to plant explosives...
But the US has, and currently still does actively use trained dolphins and sealions as part of naval base perimeter defenses, screening ships for mines, and locating sunken equipment for recovery, and searching out areas for sea mines.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Marine_Mammal_Program
There are also rumors about… other stuff.
In the early 2010s there was a guy who would park in downtown San Diego with a van covered in accusations against the US government. He’d stand outside the van with signs and tell anyone who would listen crazy stories about military experiments. I talked to him a few times and he was always going on science ethics, mind control research, and shadow plots to radically change the viewpoint of the American people.
After we talked, I had a good chuckle and assumed he was just a crazy loon.
However, some local journalists thought he seemed a bit too coherent for the far fetched nature of his claims, and spent some time digging into his past. He held a doctorate in mathematics from an ivy-league institution. When they interviewed his grad school advisors, they gushed about how he was the most brilliant student they’d ever had. They were able to confirm that he left academia to take a research position at Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR), where he held a Top Secret security clearance.
When interviewed, he told journalists that his research at SPAWAR revolved around dolphin consciousness. The military allegedly had him experimenting with mind control on live dolphins in the hopes that it would improve their utility.
He says the guilt over the unethical cetacean experiments drove him to blow the whistle on the program. Nobody believed him, and it devolved into him standing on the street hoping someone with a bit of power would take him seriously enough to bring national attention to the experiments.
Is any of his claims true? No idea. He was probably crazy. However, he has just enough credibility to make you think…. maybe he was trying to blow the whistle on something real.
I mean, I have no idea about that specific guy... but it would not surprise me if he was telling the truth.
I have also met people like that, way too well spoken and giving highly detailed and accurate information... and I myself have also personally seen things that, every time I describe them specifically in detail, nearly everyone dismisses me as insane.
The US absolutely has and almost certainly still is doing research into all kinds of mind control, psy ops, all that kinda stuff... hooray MKULTRA... and the US also does just publically use dolphins.
... And the military also has intentionally driven insane at least one independent investigator near Area 51 who stumbled onto radio signals from actual experental test aircraft, but they told him basically 'dang, it could be aliens!' and gaslit him for decades: Paul Bennewitz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz
There are CIA documents showing that two agents orchestrated a disinformation campaign against Bennewitz specifically, and both of these agents just actually publicly stated as much.
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As for the 'insane' shit I have personally seen/heard:
I used to do contract V Dash work at MSFT, and another, much older contractor told me that before the Gulf War, he was once part of a team stationed in Saudi Arabia that executed what is now called a 'supply chain attack':
They got a hold of computer hardware that was destined to be used in the Iraqi air defense system, and they basically flashed a custom BIOS onto the stuff, such that when Operation Desert Shield transitioned into Desert Storm, ... well, now that compromised computer hardware has been delivered and installed into the Iraqi air defense system, so now the US knows exactly where many Iraqi SAM and radar equipment physically is for precise targetting, and they could even just remotely scramble or disable the systems.
Think Stuxnet before Stuxnet, but not malware that infected hardware from a remote internet source... instead, the malware came pre-bundled with the hardware that was unknowingly installed into the computer network.
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I have also, twice, seen a very large, silently hovering equilateral triangular craft, which the 'ufo community' seems to call the TR-3B.
It is in roughly in line with some of those US Navy patents from that were published several years back that caused quite a stir at the time.
https://www.sandboxx.us/news/airpower/what-is-the-legendary-black-triangle-ufo/
What I have seen twice now matches the admitidely hillariously shitty image in this article.
I've once seen it high above, hovering motionlessly, silently, high above Seattle, and it looks like that image...
And I have also seen it hovering less than a hundred feet over a large hangar style building that is part of Boeing Field at the south end of Seattle...
It is roughly the same size, slightly smaller, than the building marked 'Fly Away Cafe' on google maps, which is literally across the street from the Boeing Military Delivery Center... it was hovering 100 feet or less over this building, and I was looking at it while crossing the West Seattle bridge.
I am not claiming I know anything about how this thing works at an engineering or technical level, I am not a former engineer or scientist or anything, I am just saying I have seen this thing.
If I had to guess, it seems more likely to me it is an experimental craft that is 100% human in origin, a classfied US experimental craft, not some kind of alien mothership.
It just seems so weird that they'd be flying a super-duper-secret experimental aircraft somewhere that populated. Not that I'm saying you're lying about anything, just that what you described seems really weird
I absolutely agree that it was/is extremely fucking weird.
It's been a while since I wrote that comment, but both times I saw this thing... well, its painted basically pitch black, and both times I saw it were at night...
The first time I saw it high overhead, well it has 4 large orangeish/reddish light emmitting areas, 3 near the points of the equilateral triangle, one in its center. There's also the light pollution from the city that makes any clouds not exactly as pitch black as the craft is, so you can silhouette it.
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The 'theory' on this thing is that the center light is a result of some kind of nonsense scifi bullshit ... device, I guess you'd call it, that basically is both the central powerplant of the craft and... emanates a field, or causes the craft itself (potentially by leveraging some exotic effect on the craft's skin or frame being made of some exotic compound or alloy) to be about 90% less massive than it otherwise would be... and then the 3 lights from the points of the triangle are some kind of rocket (?) thrusters, which are of course now much more potent given the much lower needed TWR.
Thats what I've been able to discern from the... least obviously completely insane articles and well written forum posts / websites over the years of occasional looking into it... but again, I have no fucking clue if any of that is legit at all.
I am by no means a Gordon Freeman type theoretical / exotic materials physicist, all the proposed theories I've read and described seem... potentially not completely insane, to me, a person who probably understands basic physics better than an average random person, who has experience with implementing basic Newtonian physics in game engines and fucking about with more advanced physics mods for Kerbal Space Program, but by no means has any advanced degree in any relevant field.
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The second time I saw it (again, at night), well it was so low, it was very easy to see it from being so close to all the ground based lights all over the Boeing Field complex... and I could see that it also had many more smaller running lights, like how aircraft have red and green lights for use when near airports or other aircraft in poor visibility conditions.
The absolutely most baffling thing, especially when seeing it so low to the ground, the second time?
No discernible sound. Nothing on the decibel level of a helicopter or jet aircraft, nothing I could really pick out from the road noise of me, being in a car, crossing a bridge, over an industrial area that has various heavy machinery running nearby.
I wonder if it isn't just some really weirdly-shaped lighter-than-air aircraft?
I mean, I guess thats also maybe possible, with giant dirigible style balloons inside of some lightweight metal skin?
Yeah that's pretty much what I had in mind. But why would they have something like that though?
Then again this is all 100% conjecture so it could very well be some SUPER SECRET ALIEN TECH 🤷 Pretty damn unlikely but the world's gotten pretty damn unlikely recently
Closer to reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VentureStar
I am still pissed we didn't just iron out the issues with this and go down this tech tree / alt hist route.
The cited main problem that lead to cancellation was difficulty in making carbon fiber fuel tanks in a non standard shape.
Pretty sure we have the tech to pull that off now... or just, make it out of a better, more well understood and proven material/design, as literally every engineer on the project was screaming at management to do...
...as best I can tell, everything else about the demonstrater worked.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2006/01/x-33venturestar-what-really-happened/
Basically, despite every involved engineer saying: "this new idea for hydrogen tanks based on a composite honeycomb wrapped in carbon fiber is stupid, we already made weird lobe shaped LOX tanks out of a lithium-aluminum alloy, they work, just make the hydrogen tanks out of them too'.
And then NASA Director Ivan Bekey said, to Congress: "we really need to actually focus on this composite wrap fuel tank design because of uh, technical reasons, and also, it will be harder to attract private funding if we uh... use aluminum tanks that are reliably proven to work... because... uh , uh, uh, wacky composite carbon fiber tanks are necessary, fuck you."
This explanation makes no fucking sense beyond Bekey being incompetent or paid off by someone to intentionally doom the project.
The engineers literally built and tested the hydrogen fuel tanks/mated lobes made out of the aluminum lithium alloy... and it was fucking lighter than the composite honeycomb one that failed, when the whole fucking main idea of using composites was that they would reduce weight.
The linear spike rockets fucking worked. Quite well actually.
But uh nope, instead, all that tech just got mothballed, and now 20 years later we get to watch Elon waste 10s of billions of dollars creating meteor showers with a fundamentally unworkable design.
Its infuriating, and today, almost no one knows this ever even happened, that we've been sitting on the ability to do this for 20 years, for no explainable reason.
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To summarize and repeat:
We know how to make an actually, fully reusable SSTO craft, that can lift more weight to LEO than the partially reusable Falcon 9 can.
The Falcon 9 can only exceed VentureStar's LEO capacity when it is fully expended, no recovery, no re-use.
We have known how to do this for 20 years.
We just choose not to for nonsense bureaucracy reasons.
Huh, that was an interesting article. I thought the failure of the honeycomb structure to work for the fuel tanks was what killed the X-33 and I'd never heard of that aluminum-lithium alloy; it isn't even mentioned in the X-33 wiki article.
Aaaanyhow, an SSTO vehicle with any sort of "traditional" engine (incl aerospike) wouldn't be quiet by any definition, though. But thanks for that link! It really was super interesting, and I definitely get why you're annoyed.
Oh, I am not proposing that the thing I saw, the black triangle, has any relation to the x33/VentureStar at all.
Yes, an array of aeropspike rockets would indeed be very loud, lol.
I am just ranting about something tangentially related.
EDIT: Just to be super duper clear about this:
Black triangle thing i saw: horizontally oriented, all major light emmiting areas spaced out on one surface of the 'dorito'.
VentureStar: vertically oriented, all engines on one 'edge' of the 'dorito'.
Perhaps vaguely similar body plan, but completely different flight orientation, 'rocket' placement, etc.
Riiight yes, gotcha.
Hmm considering how big the VentureStar would have been, my off-the-cuff airship theory seems like it might make sense - at least if we're not assuming some sort of extremely secret completely noiseless new propulsion technology, which just doesn't seem like something they'd be testing in populated areas where everybody can see them.
Shit, could just be a lighter than air "disinfo craft" – purpose-built to make people go "holy fuck what the hell is that thing", to make it seem like the US is fielding some sort of completely insane near-magical technology.
I mean... yeah, that is a viable explanation.
Nothing I have personally seen would not work with the dirigible idea... observational high altitude blimps and balloons are real things, disinfo by making people think its aliens is a real thing too.
The scifi / advanced classified tech explanation would be more fun, but at least for me personally, I never saw the thing like... suddenly accelerate to mach fuck you... always stationary, hovering.
Online, on a few forums, I have seen other people claim they have seen craft that match the description of what I saw... they have claimed they saw it suddenly accelerate, and I have seen a very shitty quality video once that seemed to show that.
But those people could be BSing, that video could be fake.
???
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Oh yeah I'd loooooove it if this was some sort of absolutely bonkers new propulsion tech – let alone FUCKING ALIENS AKJDSAJKDASJKA – but it just doesn't seem very likely. Keeping something like completely new physics secret for decades, eh, I don't see that happening.
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Bit like the Una bomber then?
Sounds like a dream job.
Good enough for Red Alert 2, good enough for real life.
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