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What Kinds of Data do AI Chatbots Collect? (lemmy.ml)
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A chart titled "What Kind of Data Do AI Chatbots Collect?" lists and compares seven AI chatbots—Gemini, Claude, CoPilot, Deepseek, ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Grok—based on the types and number of data points they collect as of February 2025. The categories of data include: Contact Info, Location, Contacts, User Content, History, Identifiers, Diagnostics, Usage Data, Purchases, Other Data.

  • Gemini: Collects all 10 data types; highest total at 22 data points
  • Claude: Collects 7 types; 13 data points
  • CoPilot: Collects 7 types; 12 data points
  • Deepseek: Collects 6 types; 11 data points
  • ChatGPT: Collects 6 types; 10 data points
  • Perplexity: Collects 6 types; 10 data points
  • Grok: Collects 4 types; 7 data points

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[+] 143 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)
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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Are there tutorials on how to do this? Should it be set up on a server on my local network??? How hard is it to set up? I have so many questions.

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  • [+] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If by more learning you mean learning

    ollama run deepseek-r1:7b

    Then yeah, it's a pretty steep curve!

    If you're a developer then you can also search "$MyFavDevEnv use local ai ollama" to find guides on setting up. I'm using Continue extension for VS Codium (or Code) but there's easy to use modules for Vim and Emacs and probably everything else as well.

    The main problem is leveling your expectations. The full Deepseek is a 671b (that's billions of parameters) and the model weights (the thing you download when you pull an AI) are 404GB in size. You need so much RAM available to run one of those.

    They make distilled models though, which are much smaller but still useful. The 14b is 9GB and runs fine with only 16GB of ram. They obviously aren't as impressive as the cloud hosted big versions though.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Or if using flatpak, its an add-on for Alpaca. One click install, GUI management.

    Windows users? By the time you understand how to locally install AI, you're probably knowledgeable enough to migrate to linux. What the heck is the point of using local AI for privacy while running windows?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    https://ollama.ai/, this is what I've been using for over a year now, new models come out regularly and you just "ollama pull " and then it's available to run locally. Then you can use docker to run https://www.openwebui.com/ locally, giving it a ChatGPT-style interface (but even better and more configurable and you can run prompts against any number of models you select at once.)

    All free and available to everyone.

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    • [–] 105 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Me when Gemini (aka google) collects more data than anyone else:

    Not really shocked, we all know that google sucks

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    • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Who would have guessed that the advertising company collects a lot of data

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    • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    DeepSeek at home: None

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    And what about goddamn Mistral?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Its French as far as I know so at least it abides to gdpr by default.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    All services you see above are provided to EU citizens, which is why they also have to abide by GDPR. GDPR does not disallow the gathering of information. Google, for example, is GDPR compliant, yet they are number 1 on that list. That’s why I would like to know if European companies still try to have a business case with personal data or not.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    If it's one thing I don't trust its non-EU companies following GDPR. Sure they're legally bound to, but l mean Meta doesn't care so why should the rest.

    (Yes I'm being overly dramatic about this, but I've lost trust ages ago in big tech companies)

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    • [–] 28 points 2 years ago*

    Back in the day, malware makers could only dream of collecting as much data as Gemini does.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I have a bridge to sell you if you think grok is collecting the least amount of info.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Who TF using Grok.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    I'm interested in seeing how this changes when using duck duck go front end at duck.ai

    there's no login and history is stored locally (probably remotely too)

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Note this is if you use their apps. Not the api. Not through another app.

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    • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Anyone has these data from Mistral, HuggingChat and MetaAI ? Would be nice to add them too

    Edit : Leo from brave would be great to compare too

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Gemini: "Other Data"

    Like, what's fucking left!?

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Or you could use Deepseek's workaround and run it locally. You know, open source and all.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Wow, it’s a whole new level of f*cked up when Zuck collects more data than the Winnie the Pooh (DeepSeek). 😳

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    • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Almost none of this data is possible to collect when using Tor Browser

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Nope, these services almost always require user login, eventually tied to cell number (ie non disposable) and associate user content and other data points with account. Nonetheless user prompts are always collected. How they're used is a good question.

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    • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    anyone whos competent in the matter: what about the french competition chat.mistral.ai

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    +1 for Mistral, they were the first (or one of the first) Apache open source licensed models. I run Mistral-7B and variant fine tunes locally, and they've always been really high quality overall. Mistral-Medium packed a punch (mid-size obviously) but it definitely competes with the big ones at least.

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    • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Is there away to fake all the data they try to collect?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I just came across this article which for people who are into self hosting can take a look and participate. It's basically a tool that generating never ending web pages with non sense that load slow (but not too slow the AI tools move on) to slow down and thus cost them more to scrape the internet if enough people are doing it. You can also hide it in a way that legit user would never see this on your site:

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/ai-haters-build-tarpits-to-trap-and-trick-ai-scrapers-that-ignore-robots-txt/ https://zadzmo.org/code/nepenthes/

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    • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Am I missing something? What do the numbers mean in relation to the type? Sub types?

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