They were a good indicator for notifications that are missed when you were away from phone.

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[–] 166 points 3 years ago (7 children)

Their absence encourages you to check your phone more often, which means you'll unlock it and look at some content more often, which means as revenue for someone.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Being honest I think the opposite of this is more likely true. Seeing a flashing indicator for all the notifications my phone “thinks” are important is going to make me more likely to constantly check my phone. Barring that I check when I want to. And with the new passive display modes I can glance and decide whether to even unlock or not.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    passive display

    This is the real answer for OP. Those lights were replaced. Maybe OP (and maybe me as well, I haven't really thought about it) would prefer to still have the notification LED, but to the hardware manufacturers they replaced those with something "cooler".

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    In Apple's case it's a subtle encouragement to buy their watch.

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    [–] 104 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    Higher end Smartphones have anyway always on displays. And the led needs screenspace - which should be maximized. That's why the notch on phones etc. was introduced.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago

    I still think it's a terrible compromise. I actually looke specifically for a phone without one and ended up with a Sony Xperia. Sure, the front isn't 100% screen and I have tiny bars above and below the screen, but who cares?

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    [–] 73 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I also love notification LEDs.

    I'm pretty sure the main reason for them disappearing is the displays extending all the way to to edge. There isn't any room left where to place it.

    Also, on phones with always-on display, you can use the display to show notifications, the led is redundant.

    But still, I find them really useful and am sad to see them being phased out.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    My phone does not have a LED notification light. It does however have a little green LED hidden near the front facing camera which is within the screen area. This light comes on only when using the front facing camera and I assume is some kind of indicator light. Why this can't be dual purpose or why another LED or even small sections of screen can't be used for notifications is beyond me.

    I think the real reason they removed the notification light is to make people use their phones more. Now instead of a glance to see a light I actually have to touch my screen which could allow additional scans of my figerprints or face and could contribute to data tracking when I am most active on my phone.

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    [–] 54 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Sony Xperia user here, I recommend your Next phone should be a Sony. Not only does it still have notification LEDs, it also has an SD card slot and a headphone jack...and a 5500mah battery. Will never go back to Samsung again

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    How long does Sony support their hardware with OS updates? Do they lock down the ability to run custom roms?

    I left Samsung because their flagship phones lost support after a couple of years and they made it harder and harder to load custom ROMs.

    I move to apple mostly because it is the easiest to support my kids on and they support the phones for what seems like forever, making my hand me down phones much more valuable for much longer. I’d consider jumping back to android if I could expect a phone to be useful and up to date for 4ish years.

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    [–] 50 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I gotta say, sometimes I miss my fully customized LED on my blackberry back in the day. It could be in the bottom of a gym bag and I’d still know if I missed a Google Talk message (green) or a Facebook alert (dark blue) or an email (light blue), etc etc etc.

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    [–] 33 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Off topic a little but I stop most of my messaging app to notify me. And my life is so much more peaceful. I told everyone when they connect with me on any messaging app that it'll take time for me to answer. I'll read it when I remember to read it, which I do like once or twice a day. They adapt to that and if it's really important they'll call.

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    [+] 20 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
    [–] 19 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    With OLED, your entire screen is an array of possible LED notifications :)

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    [–] 17 points 3 years ago

    iPhone = Settings / Accessibility / Audio Visual "LED Flash for Alerts" (at the bottom)

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  • [+] 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I hate that everything useful is being thrown out the window for "water proofing." Fuck that, people need to quit being so lazy and careless with their shit.

    And I'm calling bullshit on the dust thing. I'm not saying it's a negligible consideration, but it's not something they need to start gelding features for. That's just a horseshit excuse to effectuate planned obsolescence and sell you overpriced accessories.

    I still use an 8 year old phone with a tool-free replaceable battery, headphone jack, and microSD slot. I live in the country, there's dust everywhere and it would be dead by now if dust was such a problem.

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    [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    My guess it is cheaper to do software features rather than a physical led .. cutting costs at every corner

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    I didn't know I miss those LED notifications until now. Thanks :(

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The whole front of modern phone is a display, there's simply no space for a notification LED.

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    [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    I get so many trash notifications it would just be on all the time and I'd turn it off.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    When you have questions like this, the answer is almost always money.

    For this particular question, it is money - the cost of the LEDs (which is of course minimal, but multiplied by millions of phones), but also manufacturing (need to have a hole in the case to let the LED shine though which can let water ingress into phone). To make those holes water tight would add more cost so instead they decided to use the screen itself as the notification method. I think Motorola's implementation of this was the best - they had their always on display to show notifications and a single tap would let you see what the message was even if the phone was locked.

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    [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I forgot all about notification LEDs when I got a smartwatch

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    [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    I'm pretty sure it's just to cut costs / complexity / part counts in lower end phones, and higher end phones will use an always on display.

    Though worth noting that the Nothing Phone 1 & 2 include pretty snazzy LEDs on the back that are used for notifications amongst other things.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing that with everything they cram into those things nowadays, every last nook and cranny is valuable space to be used.
    A little blinken light is probably not high on the list of features competing for that space.

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    [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    On Samsung phones your whole screen flashes in a custom color and and animation, and after that you have your always on display. So they are no longer needed with OLED screens that can display it themselves

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