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Ban the suit rule (media.mas.to)
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[–] 62 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Men in clothes persecuted me. Let's ban clothes.

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    • [–] 54 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Someone in a suit is always suspicious.

    They play dress-up to represent something that they aren't, to get you to think that they're serious and competent.

    Someone who really has competentence and something behind the looks can show up in rags and I will trust that person. Someone in a suit makes me question, what are they hiding? Why the need to show off?

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  • [–] 63 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    You at a wedding: “Why is every man here wearing a suit? What are they hiding? Suspicion indeed!”

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Nah, in this setting I would ask myself:

    Why do we require suits for a wedding? We're celebrating a couple, how does wearing a suit make it more celebratory?

    And then probably go on a rant about our superficial society.

    But the only wedding I would actually attend would be one where we'd sit on the ground in jeans and hoodies and pass a joint, or something like that.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Why not go entirely naked then? Jeans and hoodies is also an imposed norm by society just done by a different sub culture.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    People have been dressing in special costumes for celebrations since clothes were invented. Wearing special clothes for special occasions are part of what makes them special.

    Also, wearing a suit and passing around a joint are not mutually exclusive:-)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    My wife and I attended our friend's wedding in our Hogwarts House outfits, Ravenclaw x Hufflepuff. Everyone else looked like they either had never seen a tailor before or had the same old suit sitting in the closet for years until that day.

    I don't want to have my 'best' dressed day to be in my casket... a man named Jidenna taught me that.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Here in the UK there are in general 2 categories of ppl who are still wearing suits: corporate managers and real estate agents. Not sure which is the worst, a close competition.

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    • [–] 48 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe just stop basing your risk assessment on articles of clothing

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    • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Slaves are rarely dangerous.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    Are you implying women in burqas are slaves? lol

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    They’re equating a piece of clothing with its use by autocratic regimes to oppress women, while conveniently ignoring the fact that outside of those autocratic regimes, in the most progressive countries in the world women choose to wear burqas and other similar articles of clothing of their own free will every day.

    And I’m saying this as an atheist American. I see absolutely no difference between a woman choosing to wear a burqa or to wear the attire of a catholic nun or to wear a potato sack. What she chooses to wear is her own damn business.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    You think that muslim women aren't oppressed in western countries? Sure, the government won't lock them up, but their social circles will shun them if they don't comply.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    First of all you do not know whether they wear it out of being opressed or their own choice.

    Second of all by banning these clothing all you will do is add more opression. In the first level, by simply taking away from their choice and on the second level because the opressed ones will be forced to stay home when they cannot wear these clothes.

    What would actually help would be community outrech and social services that can support opressed women.

    But that would actually help them and respect womens rights. The recent bans and appeals for bans are just there to opress muslim women, because that is what the far right and fascists like. it is not there to help them. France has denied multiple girls education, because they were not adhering to the recent ban on abayas.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    There are so many cases of women being absolutely bullied, to killed by their close (and even foreign) social circles in the west simply for taking out the hijab. Many. Many in the UK (where the author of this article column is from). Look up a youtuber named Dina Tokyo for a sample.

    The writer of that column, his main argument, if it does not affect, it means I don't care. But this affects millions of opressed women in the UK.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    But none of these women are helped by a ban to wear such clothes. It is just reinforcing the separation and making the problem "go away" by making it invisible. Interestingly enough it is the same approach of conservatives and the far right to poverty and any other social issue

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    But none of these women are helped by a ban to wear such clothes.

    It would give them a breathing space, and another lifeline for every women who is forced to wear it. I know lots of white liberals who think islam is such a marginalized religion because "non-white origin", but the reality is, muslim women are either brainwashed from childhood to wear it or are forced into it. Enforcing such laws would alleviate and lead many of the to question the circumstances of "why do we wear it". If you are unaware, the history of the hijab dress in Islam started after Omar (one of the Caliphate) and bff with Mohamed harassed the latter's wife so that Allah would tell Mohamed to wear the hijab. He used to follow them when they pee or take a shit, to creep on them to force a "revelation" as if their God needed a reminder.

    That aside, many many many muslims have no idea about these origins and are as brainwashed as white liberals into the "religion fo peace". And that's why islam inherently is an anti-feminist religion. Just look up on r/exmuslim how many women were distraught for being forces to wear the hijab. This law is less than an ideal solution, but it is better than nothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you think that forcing people to do something to get them out of some brainwash you claim them to have, you are just trying to opress and brainwash them yourself. It is also amazing, that you immediately use fascist buzzwords like "white liberal" to reduce the arguments to "haha you are just unenlightened", which is the same way the opressive fundamentalists think.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Sure and everyone in all the social circles I grew up in have shunned me for giving up my faith. The government banning me from choosing to wear a cross necklace wouldn’t change that or give me any more freedom of choice.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    A cross necklace is a little different than having to cover your head or your entire body, don't you think?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    My point was more that more oppression is not the answer to oppression.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Removing one of the ways someone is being oppressed doesn't sound oppressive to me

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    Removing the freedom of choice is textbook oppression but ok.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Which is exactly what Islam is doing

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    I don’t deny that. But I posit that it matters not whether it’s a religion or a legislating body, telling women what they can or cannot wear is wrong and it is oppressive. If one must resort to the same tactics as the oppressors, what makes them any better?

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    • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    But I look good in a suit :(

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    [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    Suits should be legal for anyone to wear except for rich important businessmen. Fuck the man, and fuck his dress codes.

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    [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    We as a society need to teach our children about this propoganda (e.g. women in burqa's are a risk). It's a relatively easy concept and my daughter already knows ow to ask questions.

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    [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    ITT: people missing the point

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    [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Let us ban suits and make full frontal nudity mandatory!

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    [–] 5 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I still love the men in suits who brought us out of the wars and fixed the economy.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    ...after starting the wars and breaking the economy in the first place. And saying they fixed it is overselling it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I will admit, that particular suited man was an awful man. The suited men did not over sell it, many companies were saved from collapse and saved us from a economic collapse, which was arguably the most important part. As for the people, as with many things, it takes time for the effects of goodwill to rollout.

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    • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Those people would still exist even you banned suits. You just wouldn't be able to recognize them anymore.

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