Summary

Secretary of State Marco Rubio grew visibly frustrated during an ABC News interview when questioned about the Trump administration’s approach to Russia.

Defending Trump’s push for peace talks with Putin, Rubio insisted negotiations were necessary but admitted the administration didn’t know Russia’s demands.

He clashed with host George Stephanopoulos over Trump’s refusal to call Putin a dictator and the U.S. siding with Russia in a recent UN vote.

Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.

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[–] 166 points 2 years ago (13 children)

The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk. So why wouldn't everyone think it?

NATO is Russia/China's greatest deterrent. It's literally devastating to our national security to pull out--so clearly only a bad actor would want that.... It's pretty goddamn obvious.

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    [–] 122 points 2 years ago* (34 children)

    Why can't we have a woman president? They're too emotional for politics?

    Also: the emotional melt down is a tactic. This is populism trump style, none of this is unintentional

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    Just to be fair: Only women can be elected president for the next 47 presidents.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    Can we write s sanity test into the Constitution?

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    This title is misleading. I watched the whole 9min and he was calm and collected in his delivery. Was he frustrated at the leading questions? Yes. Was he melting down? Ya no, not even close.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The summary is reasonable though. Again we are cutting trump and his underlings a ton of slack about his campaign claims of fixing the war in 24 hours, and 6 weeks into his presidency. No, we should not accept political hyperbole just because it comes from trump, and Stephanopoulos was rightly asking how does calling Zelenskyy a dictator (and undercutting Ukraine-supporting allies) but sucking up to putin move peace talks forward?

    As I said before, the way trump makes these deals is like putting duct tape on your passenger door, calling yourself a master mechanic, and then blame next mechanic when the car falls apart.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    The Daily Beast with a bullshit, misleading, clickbait headline? Surprising.

    I'm sure I downvote Daily Beast articles more than any other site. I wish people would find other sources - although the stories might not sound as exciting.

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  • [+] 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Biden’s approach to Israel

    seems absolutely sane by comparison to your boss, there, buddy.

    and if you were going to 'biden' your support for ukraine, there'd be a non-stop airlift going on with equipment and armaments.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    No, TRUmp is placating Putin. He’s got to be a Russian asset.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I'm beginning to feel there's a fundamental disconnect between the vocabulary of everyday people and the words journalists use. I can only imagine how the dialogue goes around a journalist's house.


    "Honey, have you heard about the Winstons?"
    "No, why?"
    "Fred from accounting SLAMMED they're planning to move to Wisconsin."
    "Oh, I see. Did you GRILL him about where exactly they'd be going?"
    "Yeah, I HAMMERED him with questions until he MELTED down. IN TEARS, he SCREAMED at me, 'Yeah, somewhere near Madison.'"
    "...screamed?"
    "You know... politely."

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.

    Well... that's not too far off

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    having the intelligence to realize, but not have the balls to speak out to the fact that the Russian Mafia just regulatory captured your country is something to melt down over.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    As a European, only the complete collapse of the Russian federation in an acceptable outcome.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah Biden placated netanyahu. It was bad, but for the lowest of bars, he at least was placating an ally instead of giving a hostile power everything they want and yelling at the ally they invaded

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.

    Distracting from Trump's servile position towards the fascists in control of present day Russia by using the favorite logical fallacy of the USSR, whataboutism, is either highly ironic or very on the nose depending on which axis of the political compass you choose to focus on..

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

    The problem is that most people handling this current situation through the lens of classic geopolitics

    This is not classic geopolitics. This is the ultra wealthy enacting their plan to create a global plutocracy. A ruling class of only the most wealthy in the world.

    They believe that their plans are more easily achieved with a Russian empire than with a free Ukraine.

    Ask people like Rubio questions using that as the basis, not classic geopolitics.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yes, yes, a billion times yes.

    To me, the fundamental problem - the primary reason that it seems so difficult to deal with Trump - is that so many politicians and analysts and commentators are still spproaching issues as if the old rules are still in place, and they quite simply aren't.

    Every time that another analysis or editorial appears that discusses the "failures" of the Trump administration, since their policies will undermine the original goals of the agency/programs in question, it's ultimately just meaningless noise, since it starts with the patently false presumption that the original goals still count. They don't.

    The Trump administration isn't failing to achieve traditional goals - it's succeeding in achieving an entirely new and different set of goals. And there isn't going to be any meaningful commentary until it focuses on those new goals.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    While the title is the usual nonsense, the interview is the usual nonsense delivery that the master of deals is going to save the day, when he couldn't deal his way out of a wet paper bag.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    The U.S. isn't placating Putin. The Republican party is. Because they're traitors.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    the administration didn’t know Russia’s demands.

    Liar

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Placating? More like deep throating. The US is gluckglucking Russia and liking it.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.

    Well good thing he got that far. Now we just need to teach him that Apartheid is ba—

    I think I see the problem now.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    This guy sucking putin's asshole says what?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Listening to this guy reminded me of Thank You for Smoking, which is a dark comedy of a tobacco industry spokes person trying to make smoking cool and acceptable again. So much bullshit, so little substance. Marco, we've all seen your face during the meeting, bullshitting like this won't save it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3eeTjK0qZY

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Compare the way he talks about Putin with the way he talks about Zelenskyy.

    With Putin, we have to see what he wants, we have to try to work with him and understand his position, we can't do anything that might make him uncomfortable so he doesn't decide he doesn't want to talk to us, and his broken agreements are in the past while we need to be moving forward.

    On the other hand, he repeatedly states that they've "explained this" to Ukraine, that we can't discuss what they want or what their concerns are, we need to focus on getting peace first, and Zelenskyy is at fault because was disrespectful which apparently we can't ignore for the sake of peace the way we can ignore a history of Putin violating peace deals.

    If they actually meant what they are saying and this was all about diplomacy and achieving peace, they wouldn't be picking a fight with Ukraine, they wouldn't be publicly undermining them and trying to coerce them, and they wouldn't be refusing to acknowledge any of their concerns. These motherfuckers think that it's a good look for them to be throwing a tantrum about the way Zelenskyy dresses and getting pissy about him not being thankful enough for the way they are so generously pursuing a peace that carves up Ukraine and comes without security of any kind. That's the way they want to spin this. Because apparently they think acting like thrid grade bullies who try to pick on the smaller kids is admirable, that people will see it and think they look smart and tough.

    The only thing I even find remotely believable in this interview is Rubio's mantra of "I don't understand." Just in general I think it's pretty clear that there's a hell of a lot he doesn't understand. Things like human decency, geopolitics, basic negotiation tactics, and parables about riding tigers and giving rides to scorpions. But I think he probably does understand that his position is pure bullshit and that his only job here is to try and tow the line while defending the indefensible. That's why he got so panicked when a tweet from a fellow republican came up, because his strategy was to avoid details and try to frame the backlash as partisan politics, so he can't really respond to Republican criticism.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    The Republicans are making a real effort to convince themselves that we're now at war with Eastasia. But it doesn't seem to work too good: however much they're trying to integrate the newthink, their brains are working against decades of anti-Soviet and anti-Russian indoctrination.

    It's really painful and embarassing to watch them try to reprogram their own brains to please their cult leader...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    "What is wrong with being a peacemaker?" When the bully punches you dont ask him what he wants just punch him back you pussy.

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