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[–] 170 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm in Australia and I would like to say something about that. Come at us you stupid fascist cunt.

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  • [–] 126 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    I think the world would be a better place if we collectively perma-banned all American digital services (while helping NGOs/open source projects relocate their infrastructure and legal organisations out of the US).

    There would be a lot more competition, a wider variety of product offerings, more regional customisation, a bigger focus on long tail services.

    It would be messy at first, but that's the nature of a transition from an oligarch model to a competitive model.

    While what I am saying may sound like a pipe dream or pettyness, but from my perspective everything starts from a small step.

    And if you don't live in the US (but are unfortunately impacted by their internal politics), you do have to take a more sober attitude towards their claimed commitment to democracy, free markets and rule of law.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yes, in the new "might is right" world Trump is pushing for, it's better to start pushing back or get pushed over. In his "make a deal" world view, better to say to ban everything outright in two weeks. In his typical fashion, some compromises might appears the next day. Losing a few hundred million customers and large amounts of influence will sting him and his supporters.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I would argue the goal should be actually permanently getting rid of American technology services as opposed to getting a deal.

    By this point American business leaders (not only in tech) have decisively proven that they are not any better than say russian oligarchs; a group of corrupt criminals who will happily support authoritarianism as long as they get to keep their businesses interests.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Plus allowing another countries tech to be embedded into government and services, military, and any other critical operations is an omnipresent national security risk. Doesn't matter if they're an ally.

    Democracies should be run on 100% open source. The developed world could collectively employ less engineers than big tech and I am certain they could produce a better ecosystem of services, both through contributions to existing projects as well as greenfield, that would also provide wide reaching benefits to every other economy... and they could do it cheaper than big tech. It's easy to beat private companies that must enshittify to achieve constant profit growth.

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  • [–] 105 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    Strange, Big Tech has no inherit right to operate in foreign markets. If they want to be in those markets, they need to pay their fair share. I would be glad to see them pull out of those markets, but that won’t easily happen.

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    [–] 82 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Switch to open source everywhere, especially in government systems

    Drop Microsoft, block meta, Google, and just get rid of Amazon

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It would probably take decades to unplug older systems but with a gradual approach we could probably get rid of most of it quite fast.

    I wonder how much public money is wasted in Microsoft crapware, but if any of it would be redirected to open source fundings (which is actual common good) it may be a huge deal.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Much of the software, especially stuff that the likes of Microsoft provide, already exists, and is already in use. In fact plenty of local administrations have been railing against the EU commission and their insistence on .docx and stuff.

    OTOH it's not trivial to implement, not in the software sense but the institutional one: It doesn't matter that software that can map complex administrative workflows already exists, you still have to take that stuff and build whatever workflow some agency uses into it.

    You also don't need your own servers, there's public law hosting providers around. E.g. northern German states founded dataport, if you're a municipality there it's a no-brainer to get your software and your cloud, consulting, everything, from them. It's going to be better than anything you could come up with because you're not the first municipality to contract with them.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I desperately desperately desperately want to read a headline that says "Ukraine signs rare mineral agreement with the European Union. Ukraine becomes a member of the EU and the EU gets large resources of rare minerals to supercharge their own homegrown tech industry and divest it from the United States of Trump"

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago

    Thanks Mr Trump - this really helps us sell our non-US technology to the Europeans. Keep on making stuff great again 🤘

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago

    "failed foreign economies"

    Lol. Lmao, even.

    Absolute clown.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    It's almost like Trump when to a seminar on the incredible healing power of tariffs, and believed every word he heard.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago*

    Lol, Trump is a clown. If netflix or other big tech is charging me for using their service in my country, and they have legal presence and activity in my country, they should be charged taxes in my country because they are generating econimic activity.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    “It’s time to be tough on Big Tech! And by tough, I mean I’m going to give Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg and all the rest the most vigorous blowjobs they have ever felt!” -Dumpy Trumpy

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  • [+] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    That’s exactly how I felt when Bolsonaro was in power in Brazil. He at least became ineligible for being responsible for our equivalent of the capitol invasion in Brasília, and is possibly going to jail.

    It still baffles me that the US is supposed to be a country where laws work more strictly, and yet everything Trump did in his previous term—from obstruction of justice to inciting the January 6th Capitol riot—seems to have been met with limited accountability. How can a nation uphold its democratic principles if the mechanisms designed to check power are perceived as being selectively applied?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    where laws work more strictly

    That's never been the case. If anything we've been a major source of corruption on the world and particularly for South America for the last 150-200 years. Shit you could easily frame the Cuban revolution and the reaction to American corrupt interests and draw a straight line from drug cartels and bribing coups as well.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    He's like that over confident political blowhard on the internet who picked up on one term used in policy at some point and tried to wedge it in as the appropriate answer to everything.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    Sort of except the fact that he wants to be a dictator. Tariffs require no approval from Congress and it's the only peaceful offensive weapon he has at his disposal.

    He knows better (at least let's hope he does) than to send troops anywhere for 90 days.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wonder what the correct answer is... should everybody in the world put even higher taxes on big tech now, or better taxes + tariffs?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Who knew that Trump was so into Hawaiian solidarity. Gonna make the whole nation into an expensive island.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Trump doesn't get Taxes doesn't he

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Let's just start accepting the tarrifs and keep doing what we have been doing

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure what the goal is here, but it doesn't sound well thought out

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Us Europe trade war in 5...

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    The EU established an ACI (Anti-cooersion instrument) in 2023 that would be devastating to US interests.

    Included in their response would be the suspension of all US intellectual property rights in Europe.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    He didn’t say anything about regulating them.

    Tax revenue is small fry compared to the harm they can (and do?) cause.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Hahahahahahahahaha.

    No wait, sorry.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    you mean musk

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago*

    Trump can tariff his asshole while he goes and fucks himself!

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    From the article:

    Trump’s opposition to DSTs is not new: the Biden administration felt they disproportionately targeted US businesses and threatened 25 percent tariffs if they were not removed.

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Trump knows he has complete power and control.

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