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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Fears of peace talks

What kind of bullshit Orwellian headline is this? Peace is GOOD, stopping the bloodshed is GOOD. We WANT less people to die.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Somebody think of the Lockheed shareholders!

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Inb4 "acksually killing thousands over lines in the sand is good" rhetoric

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Too late, that shit is all over this post already

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (120 children)

Fears of peace talks

Peace bad, war good!

Did I get that right?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

If Ukraine enters peace talks now, have they gained anything or put their country in a better position since the original peace talks, which were sabotaged by Boris Johnson and British intelligence, over a year ago? Have they gained any significant territory since what was proposed then? Is their army in a stronger position? Are any gains since then worth the losses?

Just looking at it from a purely pragmatic and realpolitik perspective, I don't see how anyone can argue that Ukraine has gained anything significant in this stalemate of a conflict. If they get similar results now, as what was on the table originally at the first peace talks, it means that their Western backers essentially sold a pipe dream to Ukraine that never materialised. Is the collective West ready to explain that to Ukraine, and the rest of the world? That they used Ukraine as a testbed for their weaponry against Russia, sold Ukraine a utopian fantasy that they'd be able to regain significant territory using Western weapons and tactics which never happened, and hundreds of tens to hundreds of thousands of people got killed or injured to accomplish very little.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Turns out that an offensive is really hard. Who would've thought? Definitely not centuries of military doctrine.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (12 children)

These Baltic and Polish dipshits should just be airdropped on to the frontlines if they want the war to continue so badly.

Without parachutes.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Great, another Hexbear brigading thread. Hexbear needs to be defederated, it's a bunch of fake communists spreading authoritarian propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

fears of peace

Sounds about right when it comes to what wine cave warriors crave and what they fear losing.

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