▲ 65 ▼ Fears of peace talks with Putin rise amid US squabbling (thehill.com) submitted 3 years ago by CollisionResistance@lemm.ee to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 291 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago (121 children) Fears of peace talks Peace bad, war good! Did I get that right? permalink fedilink source hideshow 121 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 19 points 3 years ago (118 children) Defending your home is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 118 child comments replies: [–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (43 children) The best way to defend your home is to stop the bombs from falling on it. Unless you're not talking about people's homes, families, and friends, but rather talking about some arbitrary line in the sand that people should be sent to die for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 years ago (41 children) Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago* (30 children) They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I'll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it's barely related, but it is worth a mention too) Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (24 children) I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago I wonder that too permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back Not that Russia isn't taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they're not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You're sending children and old men into a turkey shoot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (7 children) We're talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Yeah, that's definitely what's going on here permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 44 points 3 years ago (11 children) And that's why you supported the breakaway republics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (60 children) Not being dead is even better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 60 child comments load more comments (60 replies) [–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago That's why you love landlords permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 19 points 3 years ago (118 children) Defending your home is good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 118 child comments replies: [–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (43 children) The best way to defend your home is to stop the bombs from falling on it. Unless you're not talking about people's homes, families, and friends, but rather talking about some arbitrary line in the sand that people should be sent to die for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 years ago (41 children) Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago* (30 children) They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I'll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it's barely related, but it is worth a mention too) Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (24 children) I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago I wonder that too permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back Not that Russia isn't taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they're not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You're sending children and old men into a turkey shoot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (7 children) We're talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Yeah, that's definitely what's going on here permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 44 points 3 years ago (11 children) And that's why you supported the breakaway republics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (60 children) Not being dead is even better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 60 child comments load more comments (60 replies) [–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago That's why you love landlords permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (43 children) The best way to defend your home is to stop the bombs from falling on it. Unless you're not talking about people's homes, families, and friends, but rather talking about some arbitrary line in the sand that people should be sent to die for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments replies: [–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 years ago (41 children) Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago* (30 children) They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I'll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it's barely related, but it is worth a mention too) Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (24 children) I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago I wonder that too permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back Not that Russia isn't taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they're not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You're sending children and old men into a turkey shoot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (7 children) We're talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Yeah, that's definitely what's going on here permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 years ago (41 children) Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago* (30 children) They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I'll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it's barely related, but it is worth a mention too) Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (24 children) I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago I wonder that too permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back Not that Russia isn't taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they're not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You're sending children and old men into a turkey shoot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (7 children) We're talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Yeah, that's definitely what's going on here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago* (30 children) They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I'll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it's barely related, but it is worth a mention too) Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (24 children) I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago I wonder that too permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (24 children) I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies) [–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago I wonder that too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 35 points 3 years ago (22 children) Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (21 replies)
[–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 25 points 3 years ago Russia has definitely not engaged in total war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 3 years ago All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back Not that Russia isn't taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they're not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You're sending children and old men into a turkey shoot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (7 children) We're talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory. Yeah, that's definitely what's going on here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 44 points 3 years ago (11 children) And that's why you supported the breakaway republics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies)
[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago (60 children) Not being dead is even better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 60 child comments load more comments (60 replies)
[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago That's why you love landlords permalink fedilink source parent