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Spotify wrapped started this trend seems other apps are following through. Seeing a summary of things you did with there app. Kind of gives you a hint how much other things are being tracked.

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[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago

data retention

It's the opposite - most regulatory frameworks require that you only retain data if you have a "legitimate purpose" for holding on to it; providing app features absolutely is a legitimate purpose, so by having a "wrapped" you can justify holding on to everything a user does - after all, you need it to provide features.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 19 points 2 years ago

Nope. Especially under GDPR. To use an example of Spotify - having a "wrapped" is not part of the core offering and is not necessary for the service to work. Meaning they need your permission to store that data (or other legal framework).

[-] astanix@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

I love hearing about how protective the GDPR is and wish it was a worldwide initiative with the teeth to truly protect humanity from themselves.

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[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

That's interesting never thought of that.

[-] electric@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

Isn't that just basic data they already kept track of?

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago

A boring dystopia

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[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago

I doubt it.

The kind of data used for "wrapped" type summaries are usually the kind of data that users want to be tracked because it powers features they want.

Like Spotify wrapped is based of Spotify play history, and being able to see your recently played songs is a feature people want.

Duolingo wrapped is based on lesson progress, and it has to track your progress else it doesn't know what lesson you're doing.

idk what other apps do this, it's pretty rare for me, but afaict it's all just normal stuff.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of privacy problems that apps try to fuck with, but I don't think that yearly wrapped is likely to be one of them.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Yeah I don't mind apps keeping track of how I've been using them. But if duolingo tells me where my friend got married and congratulates me on keeping my streak through that then we're gonna have some concerns

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

Lucy does keep saying that she is always listening rather ominously

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 years ago

I use the journalling app Daylio, which has a wrapped feature. It's all done locally, on device. Not every implementation of this feature is spying on you.

This app is pretty cool. Just saying this because it let me export my data when I wanted to stop using it. Which is not a common feature in proprietary software so hats off to the devs.

[-] hikaru755@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

not a common feature in proprietary software

Just so you know, the GDPR mandates that you can at any time get a full export of all your personal data from anyone who's processing it in a common, machine readable format. It is laudable though to have that integrated as a feature in the software, rather than jumping through hoops contacting support etc.

[-] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Just to add on, it's not just they let you export data in a cool PDF, it also lets you export the data as a CSV so it can be parsed by other things.

[-] bcgm3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Antenna-Pod does it this way as well.

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[-] other_cat@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

My to do list app had a wrapped and I was deeply displeased to see it.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago
[-] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

"You bought $300 worth of candles every month!"

Don't remind me 😔

[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That's for him, his app, their data brokers, and their 198 ad partners to know!

Or you too if you buy the data 😇💸

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[-] Codandchips@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago
[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] Codandchips@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

It's not my job to educate you

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[-] wabafee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

perfect 👌

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago

It's also a fun way to see how good their data is

For a few of the apps, the data was very limited and/or very wrong. That made me happy

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 years ago

The only software that could do that for me was Steam; saying when I played which games how long, and if it appeared to be on a Steam Deck or not. It did not nearly track all the Deck data, it seems if the Deck has no Internet connection for long enough it kind of just discards data it held and it never gets synced to Steam. For my desktop it was accurate, but only the game time stats it already let me know it tracks.

Since nothing else could “wrap” my annual data I think I'm going fine.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I know Steam itself says it doesn't track your playtime while you're playing offline. Not sure about the Steam Deck, though.

[-] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The whole 'wrapped' summaries thing dovetails perfectly into social media narcissism. It's quite a spectacle to witness.

Edit: the phrase I was looking for came to me:

Sharing 'wrapped' anything is solid gold self-absorbed dipshittery.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago

That actually requires very little data compared to the amount of data being collected. They collect absolutely everything all the time.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The only app I have that does such a thing does it because it's deliberately gamified to help you build a good habit and tracking/summarizing your achievements for that year. IMO any other kind of app doing that is a gigantic red flag and you ought to delete it and find a replacement in the F-Droid repository (which consists entirely of Free Software that is much less likely to contain those sorts of dark patterns and other antifeatures) instead.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Which apps do that? None of mind have suggested anything.

[-] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 2 years ago

I'm aware of spotify, youtube, and to a lesser extent strava and duolingo.

I don't use either one of them, but people have posted screenshots from all those on social media.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, I try not to install apps from major companies and use 3rd party when possible. I always just assume that those are tracking you even if they say they aren't

[-] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago

Yep, if there's a third party app available I'll take those instead, or for the likes of spotify I just download my music for offline playback. Not a fan of streaming in general, I'm a big proponent of file ownership. A bit different for youtube videos that I treat as disposable (consume it once and likely never again), but for music and movies, I need to hold on to the files. Even if I got legitimate access through Netflix or Prime, if it's good, I'll download a copy for archiving purposes.

For other apps I'll try to get a FOSS alternative or if that fails (or is butt ugly) I'll go with a small dev on google play instead.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I just use Grayjay for youtube.

[-] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago

Newpipe for me. On desktop I use the plain old website, but with adblock, sponsorblock and all other privacy enabling plugins, and of course on Firefox.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I actually have both installed, but I like how I can have different services with Grayjay.

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