I'm getting back into coding and I'm going to start with python but I wanted to see what are some good IDEs to write the code. Thanks in advance.

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[–] 42 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Codium. It's VSCode without the proprietary stuff

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    My husband, who mostly codes in assembly these days (he's mostly retired so his hobby is old atari, amstrad, and spectrum computers), went from VSCode, to Sublime, to now Kate. He prefers to use 100% open source apps, without strings attached. VSCode is nice, but it has lots of weird stuff in it that aren't necessarily up to the spirit of open source. So Kate works perfectly for him, although VSCodium would do well as well (it's just that Kate has better syntax highlighters for his weird assembly). Also VSCode/ium is using about 250 MB of RAM, while Kate about 45 (and Sublime only about 32).

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    I'd suggest going with LazyVIM / SpaceVIM as a starting point, though, as configuring vim from blank state is an art itself and requires quite some time and dedication.

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    Seconded. I'm coming from Emacs (+evil), so I'm still missing a few features (proper git integration a-la magit, collaborative editing a-la crdt.el, remote editing a-la tramp). However what is already there works way better/faster/more consistent than any other editor IMHO, and I've tried neovim with plugins too. I particularly enjoy the ability to traverse the AST rather than text (Alt+l/p/o/i by default, but I have it remapped to Alt+h/j/k/l). Really looking forward to https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/pull/8675, I'll probably write a couple plugins if this ever lands.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    I really like Kate as an advanced editor with syntax highlighting, auto-completion, plugin support. I would then use the Terminal pane at the bottom to run my code during development.

    However, if you want a full IDE with included dependency management, test runner, and debugger it's probably not enough.

    One of my professors said you don't need an IDE, the Linux system already is a development environment. Not sure that I fully agree with that, especially thinking of things like Android Studio that include the virtual machine smartphone, but it's still an approach thing that is worth trying out.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    One of my professors said you don’t need an IDE, the Linux system already is a development environment.

    Considering "the Linux system" is literally anything you throw on top of the kernel called Linux, it can be a development environment or anything you want it to be. But I think part of the appeal of an IDE is how all the parts integrate (the "I" in "IDE") so a bunch of packages thrown together might not provide the same cohesive feeling.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Considering “the Linux system” is literally anything you throw on top of the kernel called Linux, it can be a development environment or anything you want it to be.

    I'd just like to interject for a moment...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Considering “the Linux system” is literally anything you throw on top of the kernel called Linux, it can be a development environment or anything you want it to be.

    Yeah I thought about the same thing when posting, if anything it would have to be the the combination of tools available on Linux. Like GNU binutils, GCC, GNU emacs, GDB, Git. But that's how I remember him saying it. Either my memory is wrong, or he just wasn't that precise in his language.

    But I think part of the appeal of an IDE is how all the parts integrate (the “I” in “IDE”) so a bunch of packages thrown together might not provide the same cohesive feeling.

    I agree, it may not be what you want if you're looking for an IDE.

    But, like me back then, if you're new to the Linux ecosystem, it's good to hear at least once that you don't strictly need to look for an IDE. And that you can instead use disparate CLI tools together, to make for an experience that some people end up preferring.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    I use PyCharm for work but it's not FOSS or beginner-friendly. PyCharm does have a free community edition which is awesome if you're mostly into FOSS for the $0 aspect.

    Codium is fine and technically FOSS although it's association with Microsoft taints it for anyone who still hates MS from the bad old days. Also it's an Electron app.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Codium is fine and technically FOSS although it’s association with Microsoft taints it for anyone who still hates MS from the bad old days.

    "New" Microsoft isn't really any better, and although Codium itself is perfectly fine (Electron notwithstanding) many of Microsoft's extensions only work with/are only licensed for the official VSCode build and include proprietary parts.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    with the rise of LSP, i feel that ides have become less necessary. get an editor that you like, add an LSP client if there's not one built-in, then install the server for your language.

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    Honestly, just try a few of the big ones and see what you like, I feel like with IDEs it's all about personal preferences and rarely about actual amount of features.

    Good ones to start with can be PyCharm and vscodium, but try a few, that's the best option.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Ya ime it's mostly about what people are comfortable with. People who care about all the features :tm: go to emacs, people who want to use an instrument stick with vim, and old people use nano

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Neovim! Here is a good video to get started TJ DeVries. If you just want to give it a shot there are a lot of preconfigured options like lunar vim or NVchad.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Zed is full of AI rubbish, though, which is a shame as I was looking for a code editor built with Rust.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not too hard to disable all of it

    {
      // Disable Telemetry
      "telemetry": {
        "metrics": false,
        "diagnostics": false
      },
      // Disable Assistant:
      "assistant": {
        "enabled": false,
        "button": false,
        "version": "2"
      },
      // Disable Copilot:
      "features": {
        "inline_completion_provider": "none"
      },
      // Disable Collaboration Features:
      "collaboration_panel": {
        "button": false
      },
      "chat_panel": {
        "button": false
      },
      "notification_panel": {
        "button": false
      }
    }
    
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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I'm a big fan of vim/neovim with nerdtree and airline added in.

    I've also been tryingourt Zed recently, it natively supports vim keybindings, so my workflow hasn't changed, but its lightning fast (programmed in rust) compared to vs-codium (an electron app)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    For Python definitely PyCharm.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I use Vim ;)

    Python itself provides IDLE, which is good enough for beginners. https://thonny.org/ is another good one for beginners.

    As mentioned by others, Jetbrains is good for many languages. https://www.kdevelop.org/ is another option.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    Because people ask for an IDE, rather than an editor, I will say :

    Vim + terminal(s) + containerization (e.g. Docker CLI, Python venv) + live reloading (e.g. nodemon or inotify or in the browser using e.g. server side events) + repository management (e.g. git in CLI to juggle between branches, push/pull local/remotely)

    IMHO this is very VERY light (0 wait even on a RPi Zero) and yet very flexible.

    Also most of that can be "saved" via e.g screen the CLI tool, allowing to have named windows in a terminal and a lot more than to e.g. screen -raAD, locally or remotely.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm slowly learning Emacs, I'd say I like it but it's a lot of config work and I wouldn't recommend it to somebody who hasn't programmed before.

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    [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Netbeans for java was good to me as a student.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    @SpiceDealer I use Emacs as an IDE for Python.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It pains me to admit this but VSCodium has become my de facto standard

    https://vscodium.com/

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Don't be ashamed, I think a lot here secretly like it, it's just very extensible because so many use it in the form of VSCode and it's just great for what it is, despite being Microsoft's for all intents and purposes

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    [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Eclipse Theia if you already know VSCode.

    It copied the interface and functionality and is compatible with most VSCode extensions. Available as an AppImage on Linux.

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