Dear god, no. This is an abjectly terrible idea. Dems aren't going to win until they stop being the other party of billionaires who are centre-right at best yet claiming to be for the working man. Come on, learn something from this election. We want a Sanders or AOC, not this milquetoast rejection of the full scope of the Overton window.

This is going to be a crazy four years, and to suggest we come out on the other side wanting a return to the same bullshit that held wages and lifestyles back for, by then, 50 years, is a failure to read the room. No one wants what the Democratic party currently offers, and I don't see her suddenly becoming progressive. We don't need another president on the cusp of getting Social Security when elected.

We want that for ourselves after paying into the system for so long, but that's not going to happen. Find a new standard-bearer or die. Learn. Adapt. Run on real change, not the incremental shit that was resoundingly rejected and so generously provided us with the shitshow we're about to endure. Voters stay home when you do that, and here we are.

I mean, how many CEOs need to be killed before anyone gets the message that what they're offering has the current panache of liver and onions? Doesn't matter how well it's prepared; the world has moved on, and whoever gets the nomination in '28 needs to as well. Harris is not that candidate.

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[–] 45 points 2 years ago (27 children)

They didn't run Clinton after she lost to trump, why would they think this is any different? Harris was not picked twice for a reason, the first time in the 2020 democratic primary and the second time after the last election. PLEASE move on to someone who hasn't lost yet for a real change and a real hope to win.

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This, like the Democratic party for the last few decades, is a bad joke.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I am not from the US but always felt the world would be so different if Bernie was up against Trump instead of Hilary.

    Is there a younger member of the Democratic party with a similar vibe to Bernie?

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    More CEO's will die until moral improves.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Didn't learn the first time around, huh?

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Of corse she should run!

    So should a bunch of other democrats, some with different ideas. All the party has to do is stay out of the way and the people will choose better than they could.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Or you could learn any kind of lesson at all and run a candidate that's actually worth being enthusiastic about instead of a centrist who's still going to be seen as the second coming of Stalin by the right.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    youre right, but choose a candidate because theyre good, not someone based on how the right will respond. Literally any candidate is going to be portrayed as Stalin by the right.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    the most plausible explanation I've seen so far - credit to this post (from one of the hosts of the 5-4 podcast) where I saw it first:

    my suspicion is that Kamala is floating a CA governor run or 2028 run not because she thinks she has a chance but because it will help convince wealthy donors that it's still worth buying influence with her and thus help her fundraise to pay off her campaign's debts

    but also Kamala ending up as the nominee wouldn't surprise me. if it's not her, there'll be a different "establishment" Democratic candidate that the DNC puts their thumb on the scale for. 2028 seems likely to be yet another "this is the most important election of our lives, it's crucial to the future of the country that you vote for whichever Democrat we tell you to vote for, now shut the fuck up and stop complaining".

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    And the ratchet clicks like three full rotations

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    I really want us to stop throwing the same candidates back at the wall over and over.

    I do think Harris got the short end of the stick, elections internationally show a significant "we'll take the other guy" vote (regardless of who the other guy is). I wish the people voting paid a bit more attention to who "the other guy" is and what they're actually proposing.

    I don't have nearly this distaste for the party's platform that you do; I actually really like it ... we just need to get enough people in office that they can actually legislate without having to caucus with Republicans or on the edge Democrats.

    Honestly though, I think Sanders or AOC would get obliterated. They're beloved by progressives but this country is just not a country of progressives. I think the last election showed undeniably that the economy rules when it comes to US elections.

    Edit: intentionally -> internationally (dumb phone)

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    GOPers are always historically worse for the economy.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but they're way better at marketing that they're good for the economy. This election was lost (I'm convinced anyways) on the grounds that too many people thought Trump would be good for the economy.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    OK, what's their platform? Because if you've seen one recently, I'm willing to drive to find it.

    We need full-on systemic change, not just saying we'll be nicer than Trump. If we have an election in '28, that's not going to hold a lot of water. This is FDR shit time, not saying oligarchs should totally have the power they've amassed, and maybe I can get an extra $5.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I don't care who is in the primary but we need to get rid of the superdelegates

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I hate saying it but I don't think a woman can win. There's too many patriarchial fucks in this country that might vote democrat, but not for a woman.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If we do have a 28 election, surely they'll have a primary and not just run whoever the leadership picks and proceed to campaign on our civic duty to prevent fascism (every 4 years)

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, I think they just want to lose at this point. Maybe that was always the point.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Holy fuck nty. Anyone noticed how invisible she's been the election? Not really a galvanizing, new generation defining leader. Just another ambitious party member playing her role. Make room for someone who will do better for us.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I hate the democrats sooooooooo much. They are just gods damn out of touch.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    hahahaha! god their even more stupid than I thought. maybe they should go look for other candidates. Seems like half the country doesn't want a women as president. They sure as heck don't want a person of color either.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Gender or race had nothing to do with her losing, she's a right wing POS posing as a progressive

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    .....

    Don't.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I rwad the article and honestly I kinda wish I didn't. This is stupid.

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